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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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are you in a respirator chris

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oh our listener is going to freak out

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okay i timed it perfectly tell our

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listeners what you're doing well all the

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smoke that we've had from the forest

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fires have really aggravated my

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sensitive lungs which

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are now

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18 months

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three weeks and two days

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and three hours as a non-smoker

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unfortunately all these forest fires

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that we've been having

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has um inflamed my

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brachii in my lungs so i i'm doing these

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albuterol steroid nebulizer which is

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like cold steam that you inhale in and

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out and i tried to time it so that my

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session ended just before i got on the

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show so i could talk and not sound like

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wheezy chris

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you know i'm glad that we're giving up

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on describing me

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as being this out of the other thing but

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i didn't want to be wheezy chris today

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anyway

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my doctors put me on these nebulizer

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treatments

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other than being a little wheezy and

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short of breath i'm i'm doing good how

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about you gene you uh you a baked fish

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down there yet well i'm getting very

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close

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it got to over 120 degrees

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ouch about a week ago

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and even with the air conditioner on

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full steam

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we couldn't get it down below 85 which

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is fairly good but

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in this kind of place where you have

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really really bad insulation this is not

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a luxurious state folks

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well you're lucky i was at 111

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and i couldn't get it down in the main

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part of the house below 90. and so i had

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to barricade myself into uh

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my office and plug all the

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put reflect techs in the windows plug

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the doors with a rug a blanket and

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have the ac going full blast and i was

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able to keep it down around 80.

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well it's better than we could do but

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you're living in a place where the

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temperature routinely is 10 to 20

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degrees lower but those who say

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after record-breaking temperatures that

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can't be global warming because some u.s

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senator brought an ice cube

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to the floor of the senate

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i think it's got to be wacky the

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wackiest thing in the world

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well all i all i know is it was a 111

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degrees and a half on tuesday here

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i wouldn't have believed it if i hadn't

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seen it with my own eyes on my

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thermometer and just down the road in

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cottonwood it was 117.

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we're not used to that i mean it gets

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you know we do about a week and a half

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two weeks over in triple digits but

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this year it's just been brutal

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um was made contact in the desert look

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balmy

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yeah that would be contact in the winter

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yeah well i don't know about that it was

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130 i think something in death valley

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that day tuesday was just brutal oh my

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god four days ago whatever three days

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so the name of the book that

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stanton friedman kathleen martin wrote

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was science was wrong

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and it claimed that

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global warming was one of those things

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where science was wrong

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well i have nothing to say about that

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that's it i want to tell you about a

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couple of things we've been doing

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this week i spend a lot of time trying

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to resurrect the power cast store now

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that's where we're selling swag you know

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t-shirts and jackets with our logo

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and the place that we were dealing with

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stopped providing that service without

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notifying us so one day

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i see we're not getting any orders after

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a while let's go on let me see what's

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going on with the service so i log in

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check our store no longer comes up

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so it's cafe press right well it was

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print affection

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and printfaction evidently has given up

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the retail store feature that competed

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so we went back to cafe press as of

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and i took red pill junkies logo

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after he gave you a diet he was very

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kind he gave you a diet

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came out with a new version of the

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picture

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and we have a version that perfectly

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fits the size of a t-shirt

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so we've got t-shirts and jackets and

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mugs

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ipad covers things like that

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and to find out more about it you go to

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store dot the store.theparacast.com cast

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the official power cash store it is mark

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because i'm not a graphic artist i don't

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play one on tv so i got all the

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merchandise in there and i got the

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descriptions and prices correct

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and now hopefully we will have some form

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volunteers who will get in there

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and clean it up give it a shaven haircut

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and suggest other merchandise they have

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lots of different merchandise over there

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at cafe press i understand

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i guess the prices aren't especially

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cheap for what we offer but we only make

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maybe a few dollars per item

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so the only way chris and i will

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actually see anything from this

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is if we sold like a thousand items a

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month which i don't expect to happen but

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there it is if you want to have a

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t-shirt with our new logo chris on a

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diet he plays the guitar learns a new

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skill

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and i become a rapper

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a new skill i've been rapping on radio

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for years i just haven't done it the

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traditional way

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you go to store.thepowercast.com

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and that's where it is we also added

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some new features to powercast plus

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and my dog sings chopin the introductory

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chapter of a book

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from chris and ray stanford we put that

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up at powercast plus

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and then i went digging through the

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archives with the help of a listener who

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went back to 2010

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starting the beginning of 2010 like

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and we found a whole bunch of

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interesting episodes that should be

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ad-free and we were able to improve the

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audio quality somewhat and goes back to

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chris's first appearance as a co-host on

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the powercast march 21st 2010

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remember that when we remind you of that

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then we had jim mars and frank warren on

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march 7 2010 that episode is also now in

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powercast plus without the ads and jim

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mars is scheduled for next week to

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return to the power cast after six years

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so it's a good time to have you listen

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to the original appearance ultimately

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all the episodes from our second

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2010 through 2014 that haven't been put

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in paracast plus will be put there but

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about 250 300 episodes it's going to

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well hey progress

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we're making progress so to learn more

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about the powercast plus go to

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plus.theparacast.com and chris is

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working on this video that he made at

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conflict or catastrophe in the desert

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i like that catastrophe in the desert

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there you go

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and that's going to be up in a couple of

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weeks or so

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i should be able to get it up sooner now

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at least that's what she said

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okay that works

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so that's going to be really interesting

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and if you want to learn more

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plus.powercast.com we recently cut the

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rates for the five year and lifetime

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subscriptions you want to check it out

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there we go today

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we're not going to talk about ufos

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how about that

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unless our guest mentions it we're not

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going to talk about

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breakaway civilizations we're not going

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to talk about 9 11 conspiracies we'll

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wait till next week for those

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we're not going to talk about any of

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that stuff

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and we've invited somebody with the

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a writer robert damon

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schneck

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tell me that's not a perfect name for a

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writer

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you know better than chris o'brien or

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gene steinberg well it's better than us

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but uh schneck yeah i am it kind of has

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a snap to it

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well he's got a book out here called the

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bye bye man and other strange but true

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tales now a fictional version of the bye

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bye man apparently is going to be a

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motion picture

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come december wow obviously a horror

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film

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and he should introduce me to his agent

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oh yeah i had a really good agent at one

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time who could place

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properties in hollywood

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but she kind of sort of retired

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about five or ten years ago

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so i still have the property i've got a

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treatment you know we've got attack of

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the rockoids

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that sci-fi novel that grayson my son

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and i wrote we've got the treatment

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we've got the series bible we've got all

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that stuff going but

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that's of lesser importance today it's

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the bye bye man

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and we're going to say goodbye bye to

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this segment that will feature robert

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damon schneck

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now there is the coming of the

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protectors a former military

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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

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her distant planet are planning to

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conquer the earth this is gripping

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attack of the rockoids and the coming of

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the protectors find out more at

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chris and i and our guest robert damon

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schneck were reminiscing about new

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jersey where he's staying right now

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we'll get into that in a moment but i

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didn't realize until i got on the air

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just a few moments ago that robert was

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actually a guest

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on the power cast

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during our second year

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he was on there with dennis balfazer who

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of course is the so-called truth secret

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roswell and he was bringing out a book

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called the president's vampire

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and what we hear now is of course that

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this is

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the revision of the president's vampire

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he is now the bye-bye man so robert

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before we go on we were reminiscing

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about new jersey because chris lived in

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the new york area i lived in new jersey

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through 1993

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and

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after the weather we've had in arizona

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this past week where it got to over 120

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degrees in mesa i really wanted to be

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back there yes i can understand that

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it's actually been beautiful here

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green humid it's very nice

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the humidity is not so much fun but i

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feel jealous because my

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nephews are over in new jersey oh well

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it it's actually not a problem for me

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because i never leave air conditioning

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if i can help it

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yeah out here at least it's a dry heat

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that's and as gary shandling used to say

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so is a blow torch yeah

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i was out yesterday it was 106 and we

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had a 25 mile an hour wind

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so it's like being in the world's

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it's like being in a blow dryer and i

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mean if god forbid you have to reach out

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of your car and adjust your side mirror

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you'll burn your hand literally if

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you're traveling down you know the road

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uh doing 50 or 60 you'll you'll

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literally burn your hand i think i think

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i would retreat to the mountains until

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it was over

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i am in the mountains i'm right at the

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edge of them

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it was

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111.5 here on tuesday why do people live

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there

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this is unusual i mean right down the

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road in cottonwood it was 117 and that

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that broke their all-time

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highest temperature record why do we

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live here i think we're kind of crazy

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part of it is

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that

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things had not gone so well for me in

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new jersey

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and the business i was engaged in was

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changing so i thought a fresh start

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would be good how about living in a

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place where there is no winter of course

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i didn't think about global warming and

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the kind of effects we'd have now

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so maybe that wasn't such a good idea

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but at the time it seemed you know this

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was cool

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in the winter where everybody's freezing

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to death in new jersey and there's snow

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and everything and where u.s senators

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can bring snowballs into congress and

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say

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there's no global warming because it

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you know so they can do that i figured

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well we'll get away from winter and

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that's fine and to be practical unless

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it's really hot the air conditioning in

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this place we live in keeps up with it

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but i'll tell you something

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our dog teddy bear

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has a really

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interesting way of handling this

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so during the middle of the day i'll

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take him out for an afternoon stroll

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when it gets really hot what he does

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is

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he looks around

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walks into the shadow gets tired of it

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turns around starts pulling back to the

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house

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and he pants a lot

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right

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not that badly but what he does do is he

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pulls me back into the house and he's

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got i don't know an iron bladder or

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something

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never makes a mistake if he has to hold

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it in whatever he has to hold in

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he just manages to do it well imagine

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being a dog wearing a fur coat in 120

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he's a bichon

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so you understand we're talking about

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well enough of that okay the transition

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here and i'm jealous of you because you

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sold the movie right oh oh well i you

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know

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who's your agent it had almost nothing

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to do with me really i did uh

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a lot of talk shows at that time i was

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doing one radio show after another and

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some people out in hollywood heard me

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tell the story

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and they called my editor the next day

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and asked if they could option it

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and you know we were all for that that

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was great no one no one believed it

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would ever actually happen

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you know i don't know much about the

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movie business but i do know enough to

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know that the odds of any film actually

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being made are extraordinarily against

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it

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so after a couple of years passed

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someone finally told co it was actually

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about a year ago maybe a year and a half

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ago someone called me and they said you

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know your name is variety and i said why

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and they told me that

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uh harvey weinstein or one of the that

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his company had bought it and then stx

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had bought it and when they mentioned

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harvey weinstein then it suddenly became

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very real that this could actually

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happen

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now we have to mention here

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the road to hollywood

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is paved with all sorts of landmines so

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because you get a book option for a

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movie doesn't mean the movie will ever

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get made maybe you'll make a little bit

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of money from the option which gives

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them the rights and sometimes they'll

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buy up the rights because they don't

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want anybody else to buy up the rights

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it's just a matter of getting control

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the property eventually but as you know

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with a lot of movies

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they go through all sorts

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of connections and all sorts of

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negotiations all sorts of lunch meetings

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before anything ever gets done

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and they can have for example movies

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even of popular properties you know like

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a superman movie

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when they did superman returns back in

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2006

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before then they were trying to reboot

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superman nicholas cage was once attached

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to it they had all sorts of crazy things

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going and then after the movie did so so

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it disappeared until man of steel like

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in 2012.

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even making a major movie of a character

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my god it's superman this has got to be

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a hit it goes through years and years of

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development and nothing happens oh so

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yeah the other thing uh robert too is

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you you might not recognize the story

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i don't expect to i don't expect to i

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mean the story had to be changed in

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order to make a coherent movie like a

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lot of paranormal or paranormal looking

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things the story that i tell in the book

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doesn't have a neat ending it just kind

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of

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peters out and obviously that's not

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going to work for a film i i'm sure they

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streamlined it and simplified it i

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really have no idea what they did to the

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film though uh

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what they did to the story uh

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that they made into the film i have i've

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had nothing to do with it except for uh

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getting the option checks which i'm very

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grateful for

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well well it's interesting that they

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extended the option most options only

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are two years and and they must have

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extended it a couple three times they

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did they did you know again first they

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sent me the contract if you've ever seen

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a hollywood contract the contract alone

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is worth seeing because it's funny

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it's got to be 40 to 50 pages thick it

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is

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they have all of these little rules

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universe

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it actually says that so therefore

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because we now have water

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in the core of pluto and maybe creatures

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live on pluto somewhere in the center of

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the planet on pluto if they were

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and they wanted to make the movie the

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bye bye man in platonian

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and buy up the rights from the people

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who bought the rights from you

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we got robert damon schneck

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for his second appearance on the power

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cast in nine years

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this is leslie kane and i'm with the

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coalition for freedom of information and

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you are listening to the paracast

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don't even ask me to explain what chris

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just did i i just i just sit here i and

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let things wash over me

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i think chris has suffered from

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tourette's syndrome

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no since giving up smoking he's had all

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sorts of crazy symptoms there and this

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is of course you know sorry about that i

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almost coughed up a piece of lung we've

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had very bad forest fires here and i'm

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i'm suffering from

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aggravated lung brachy

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chris are you in california

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no i'm here in arizona i'm just i'm

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north of gene about uh an hour oh okay

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so between the heat and the forest fires

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things are really going well

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yeah yeah i gave up smoking 18 months

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ago and uh i'm very very sensitive to um

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to smoke and

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i can't like be in casinos too long or

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you know if i'm around somebody smoking

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i have to definitely move up wind i'm

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just very very sensitive to to smoke now

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so we had really bad fires here and and

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uh

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i mean you could look at the sun and

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with no filters and stuff it was so

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thick and wow my lungs really have not

720
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responded well to it

721
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,480
let's talk about this book here now the

722
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bye bye man is the same book basically

723
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,080
the part that referred to the

724
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president's vampire let's bring

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listeners up to date not everybody has

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heard episodes from 2007 but some have

727
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and some first come to listen to the

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power cast and they know we have over

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500 episodes

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and they start listening so who or what

731
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,000
is the president's vampire and some

732
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think the next president is a vampire

733
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,720
but that's another story if a certain

734
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gentleman from queens new york is

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elected but where did this

736
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,440
legend or story begin the story of the

737
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president's vampire or the bye-bye man

738
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:09,600
let's try the president's vampire and

739
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:10,480
then

740
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we go i assume the book is basically the

741
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:15,679
same though yes it is it is the

742
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president's vampire was to the title

743
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that i gave to a story that i originally

744
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found in one of charles fort's books now

745
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charles sport for people who don't know

746
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:28,640
was a journalist from albany new york

747
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who collected strange stories and

748
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developed a whole philosophy around them

749
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,799
but one of the stories i found in

750
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one of his books i think it was the book

751
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of the damned which was his first book

752
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tells the story of a sailor who was on a

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fishing boat out from boston and people

754
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began to disappear on this boat first

755
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one sailor vanished then another sailor

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vanished and when that happened the

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captain ordered the ship searched so

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they went through every bit of the ship

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and way down deep in the hold they found

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the dead body of one sailor and the dead

761
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body of the other sailor and holding on

762
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to that dead body was a third sailor who

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was drinking that sailor's blood the

764
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first one had been drained and he was in

765
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the process of draining the second well

766
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he was taken back to boston

767
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,000
and put on trial sentenced to be hanged

768
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,480
but had his sentence commuted by

769
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president andrew johnson lincoln's

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successor

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00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:33,760
so instead of being hanged he was sent

772
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,840
to prison for several years and then

773
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,840
finally ended up in saint elizabeth's

774
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hospital

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00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:40,320
which was which

776
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:43,919
is a mental asylum down in washington dc

777
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so when i read this story i thought to

778
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:49,200
myself wow that's really interesting

779
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,279
this sounds like a good example of an

780
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early american serial killer i'll look

781
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,600
into it and i'll bet i'll have a really

782
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:58,320
interesting story to tell well i looked

783
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,960
into it i dug into this story possibly

784
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,360
deeper than any story i've ever

785
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:05,600
written since or before

786
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:08,480
and i discovered that the story that

787
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:11,760
appeared in fort's book is completely

788
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:12,640
wrong

789
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,399
fishing boat it was a whaling ship it

790
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,320
wasn't in the atlantic it was in the

791
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,039
indian ocean there was a murder but what

792
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:25,760
happened was the ship's cook got into an

793
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:27,520
argument with one of the sailors over

794
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,559
the food

795
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:30,960
stamped him with a knife threw the knife

796
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:34,480
overboard and the sailor died he was put

797
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:35,919
into chains

798
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,000
and taken back to boston

799
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,640
where he was tried and put into prison

800
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:42,880
had a sentence commuted etc

801
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,600
now

802
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,080
i couldn't believe what i finally found

803
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:48,480
out with the story i was actually able

804
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,840
to locate the ship's log of the day that

805
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:53,440
the murder happened

806
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,399
so

807
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,480
in either the captain or the mate's

808
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,039
handwriting is a description of the

809
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:01,039
murder and you aren't going to do better

810
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:03,200
than that when it comes to research

811
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,080
that's

812
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:07,039
that was just like the holy grail

813
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:07,840
so

814
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,320
then the question became how did this

815
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:12,240
story change

816
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,480
how did the newspapers somehow transform

817
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:18,399
of the kind of brawl that can happen on

818
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,960
any saturday night into this bizarre

819
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:22,640
vampire story

820
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:25,519
well the name of the sailor was brown

821
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:28,799
and the year that he that the story

822
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,120
appeared about

823
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,760
the murder on the ship and the vampire

824
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:35,519
story that a year that that appeared in

825
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:38,320
the newspaper was the same year that the

826
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:41,440
story of mercy brown appeared now mercy

827
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:44,720
brown was a young woman who died in

828
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:46,159
rhode island

829
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,799
and other members of her family started

830
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:51,360
dying and it the father became convinced

831
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,559
that mercy might be a vampire so they

832
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,640
dug up the bodies and they discovered

833
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,399
that mercy was the only one that wasn't

834
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:59,840
decomposed

835
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,600
well even though she had died during the

836
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:03,440
winter and didn't really have much of a

837
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:05,279
chance to decompose they were kind of

838
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:08,240
desperate because his last child his son

839
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,519
was dying it was probably tuberculosis

840
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:13,840
so they took out some of mercy's organs

841
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,039
burnt them

842
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:17,039
and gave them to him to drink as a kind

843
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:18,159
of a cure

844
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,880
now that story appeared around the same

845
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,200
time that the story of brown the sailor

846
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:25,440
appeared and the only explanation i

847
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:28,080
could think of is that somehow

848
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,039
somewhere they managed to combine the

849
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:33,519
two stories and made it into a vampire

850
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:36,799
story slow news day it's very possible

851
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:39,679
you know newspapers at the time were

852
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,080
were more than willing to

853
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:44,640
uh use their imagination when they had

854
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:47,120
to get circulation up but one

855
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,880
possibility that i think is very

856
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:50,000
interesting

857
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:50,720
is

858
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:00,880
and we know for a fact that bram stoker

859
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,440
was collecting newspaper clippings that

860
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:05,519
he would eventually use for the novel

861
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:06,640
dracula

862
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:15,679
to england aboard a ship and one by one

863
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,639
the sailors disappear and uh dracula is

864
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:20,879
feeding on them draining their blood so

865
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:23,200
again i can't prove it but i can't help

866
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,480
wondering if the story of brown the the

867
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:28,879
sailor the vampire sailor might have

868
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:31,599
influenced the story of dracula and of

869
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,560
course

870
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,879
that that became the two of the best

871
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,720
sequences from the film

872
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:38,720
so we're talking here about

873
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,760
this being the precursor to dracula

874
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:44,000
it's possible he might he might have

875
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:47,040
inspired some of the the passages anyway

876
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,560
at least that chapter

877
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:50,560
well it wasn't dracula he was he was

878
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,679
actually

879
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,440
transported in a

880
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,839
a big chunk of transylvanian dirt i

881
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:57,839
think right and his coffin was buried in

882
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:59,440
the dirt or he was buried with

883
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:01,119
transylvanian dirt around him or not

884
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,079
buried but but transported in the coffin

885
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,880
yes along with a lot of other coffins uh

886
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,400
they were going to be they were they

887
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,480
were going to be spread around england

888
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,320
for when he got there

889
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,000
if i remember correctly i could be wrong

890
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:16,000
but i think that was the story that

891
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:17,520
almost sounds like the arrival of

892
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:21,040
dracula in london in the original movie

893
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,079
from 1931 with bella lugosi yeah well

894
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:26,160
that comes from the book and there's

895
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:29,520
also a section of nosferatu that tells

896
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:32,720
the story of count orlock traveling in

897
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,359
the ship to to england

898
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:37,760
that's fascinating you'd think

899
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:40,079
someone like fort would have

900
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,839
maybe tried to dig in a little deeper

901
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,240
instead of just cut clipping out the the

902
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,880
questionable news account and then

903
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,400
kind of running with it

904
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:50,640
you know fort was uh

905
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,359
he had his own agenda he wasn't really

906
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,040
as interested

907
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:57,599
in running down each story he couldn't

908
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,079
because he collected thousands and

909
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:02,079
thousands of stories

910
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:03,920
he did make efforts he would write to

911
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:06,560
people and try to learn more but it was

912
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:09,680
difficult to do at the time and

913
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:11,839
it was i think it was a secondary

914
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:13,599
consideration to

915
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:16,640
his main interest which was

916
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,480
that philosophy of super skepticism of

917
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,240
everything is partly true and partly

918
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:25,119
false and always changing so it didn't

919
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:26,720
really matter

920
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,000
it was kind of a cumulative effect of

921
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,640
all of these bizarre stories

922
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,320
i mean he tells one story about a

923
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:36,640
talking dog that vanished in a puff of

924
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,720
green mist i don't think he really

925
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,640
believed that happened but he included

926
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:42,960
it for because it was it was funny and

927
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it it it was amusing and it fit with the

928
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00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,440
we return to the absurdity the possible

1042
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precursor

1043
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:32,400
of

1044
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:35,520
dracula the bye-bye man or

1045
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:36,800
of course

1046
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:39,520
president's vampire with robert damon

1047
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,839
schneck making his second appearance in

1048
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,920
the power cast i don't know why we

1049
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,440
didn't have you on the show again

1050
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:47,280
earlier well you know i really should

1051
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,000
have come on after my last book came out

1052
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,000
i have another book that called mrs

1053
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:54,400
wakeman versus the antichrist that

1054
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:57,599
anyone who enjoys the bye-bye man or the

1055
00:42:01,829 --> 00:41:59,359
president's vampire would definitely

1056
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:01,839
enjoy mrs wakeman versus the antichrist

1057
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,040
which is another collection of bizarre

1058
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:07,440
tales from american history

1059
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,640
it includes things like murderous cults

1060
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,480
people that commit suicide by chopping

1061
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,000
off their own heads

1062
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,560
a poltergeist that a town that was named

1063
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:18,960
after a poltergeist lots of things it's

1064
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:21,760
it's a really nice collection of stories

1065
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,160
now that sounds like fuel for a motion

1066
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,119
picture too oh yeah it's funny almost

1067
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:29,520
everything i write could be the first 10

1068
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:31,920
minutes of a horror movie that then

1069
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,200
switches to 25 years later

1070
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:36,800
it's just a lot of what i write is like

1071
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,440
that how do you dig up this stuff what

1072
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:41,359
got you interested in digging up this

1073
00:42:47,829 --> 00:42:44,960
kind of stuff well it's been a lifelong

1074
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:47,839
interest i i ever since i was a child my

1075
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:50,800
mom left a really dog-eared copy of

1076
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stranger than science on her night table

1077
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,920
i still remember it the cover was had

1078
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:57,599
come off and somebody put it back on

1079
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,640
with a piece of black masking tape i

1080
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:02,240
tore through that book

1081
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:05,359
and it fascinated me that was the first

1082
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,520
time i'd heard of the abominable snowman

1083
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:09,920
and the loch ness monster and so many

1084
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:13,280
other things and that put me on the uh

1085
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:14,400
the path

1086
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,920
following that came

1087
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,240
tv shows like in search of

1088
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:20,240
and the night stalker

1089
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:22,880
i seem to have some innate

1090
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:25,760
tendency towards oddities and i always

1091
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have

1092
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,599
nope

1093
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,640
this is it

1094
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:32,880
well you're just as bad off as we are

1095
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,280
yeah

1096
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,280
[Laughter]

1097
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:37,599
i do uh oddities

1098
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:40,880
pretty much 24 7. in fact i've been uh

1099
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:43,359
getting ready to write a proposal for a

1100
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new book

1101
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:46,800
and i have been spending

1102
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whole days just going through old

1103
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,560
newspapers looking for clippings stories

1104
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:54,960
that have been forgotten or lost or

1105
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,119
things that when i come across them i

1106
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:59,359
just i shake my head because i can't

1107
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,599
believe this story has been forgotten in

1108
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,520
fact one of the great pleasures of doing

1109
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:05,760
this is when you contact the local

1110
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:08,000
historical society and they've never

1111
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:09,760
heard of it and then they get all

1112
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:12,160
excited they start researching for you

1113
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:15,599
so i i love i love doing this yeah it's

1114
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,480
really uh again we i guess

1115
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:20,640
we would be remiss if we didn't kind of

1116
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,599
re

1117
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,520
state the obvious that this

1118
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,160
it's charles ford a hundred years later

1119
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,160
literally i mean that's what fort did he

1120
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,319
spent his entire entire time in the new

1121
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,560
york public library pouring through

1122
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,560
newspapers magazines

1123
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,240
looking for these types of things so i'm

1124
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:38,560
sure uh fort was quite a

1125
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,440
an inspiration to you he was but i i'll

1126
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,319
be honest that i came to his actual

1127
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,160
writings late in life

1128
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,000
i would say the greatest influence that

1129
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:50,319
fort had on me personally was that he

1130
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:52,880
inspired a lot of the writers that i

1131
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:54,000
read

1132
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:55,040
after

1133
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:57,520
reading stranger than science that is to

1134
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,400
say

1135
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,800
john keel because

1136
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:03,119
if you remember a long time ago

1137
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:04,800
the the paranormal section of the

1138
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,280
library was put together with the

1139
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,280
computer section which at the time

1140
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:11,040
consisted of one book

1141
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:12,800
a book on how computers might be big

1142
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,760
someday and in my library there was that

1143
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:17,520
book and there was the mothman

1144
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,720
prophecies

1145
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,480
and i think there was a couple of hans

1146
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,400
holzer's ghost books

1147
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:25,280
that was it but i devoured the mothman

1148
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:26,640
prophecies

1149
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,359
then when i found bernard hoivelman's

1150
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:32,160
on the track of strange animals that

1151
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:34,960
book became my that was really a

1152
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,440
life-changing book for me i i was

1153
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,599
utterly fascinated by that and it led to

1154
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:41,440
ivan sanderson's

1155
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,040
book on

1156
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,440
abominable snowmen around the world

1157
00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,520
an enormously it's probably the that was

1158
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:49,599
probably the first genuinely big book i

1159
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:50,640
ever read

1160
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,599
and and then that of course led to other

1161
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:55,839
books along the same lines

1162
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,640
and i was fortunate also in that it was

1163
00:46:02,790 --> 00:46:00,960
it was the 1970s so

1164
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:02,800
there were tons of really cheap

1165
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:05,920
paperbacks on everything from

1166
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:08,400
ghosts to witchcraft to the bermuda

1167
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,839
triangle

1168
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:12,000
to flying saucers forget i mean there

1169
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:13,920
was so much on flying saucers at the

1170
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:14,880
time

1171
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:17,680
so i was kind of lucky in that that what

1172
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:19,599
i was fascinated by was readily

1173
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,720
available

1174
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,720
and affordable

1175
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:24,800
now we should mention here that's how i

1176
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:26,720
got a lot of my ufo

1177
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:29,520
and paranormal books i would go to the

1178
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,000
used book section or the

1179
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,400
remainder section at the samuel weisser

1180
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:35,680
bookstore

1181
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:37,839
is samuel wise you're still in business

1182
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:38,800
yeah

1183
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:41,359
still in it's in manhattan though right

1184
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:42,640
lower manhattan

1185
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,480
and i go there after school and i bought

1186
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:46,319
a lot of things now stranger than

1187
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,319
science that was the late frank edwards

1188
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:50,079
and i remember frank edwards to show you

1189
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,640
how old i am i was actually on tv with

1190
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:55,119
frank edwards and we all kind of became

1191
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:57,280
acquaintances we were in regular touch

1192
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:59,200
and then he dies

1193
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:02,079
not my fault but one of the things here

1194
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:04,240
that made edward's unique is that he

1195
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:05,680
started

1196
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:08,800
to talk about ufos and paranormal stuff

1197
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:10,880
on a national

1198
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:13,440
radio news show

1199
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:14,960
and eventually

1200
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:16,319
they fired him

1201
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:19,599
was he was he before long john neville

1202
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:23,200
he didn't do an all-night show but he

1203
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:26,079
basically did this kind of stuff in the

1204
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:28,640
early 50s and i think long john came

1205
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,119
somewhat later edwards was on long

1206
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:33,920
john's show from time to time

1207
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:37,839
i know that so he is not the pioneer in

1208
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:40,400
paranormal radio paranormal talk radio

1209
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,839
because he was a newscaster and a

1210
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,160
commentator long john

1211
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,640
is the guy who created the format i mean

1212
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,240
they threw him out there he was a guy

1213
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,160
who was doing auctions

1214
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:52,000
in new jersey and telling real great

1215
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,680
stories and somebody at wor in new york

1216
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,760
listening to long giant action said this

1217
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,680
guy would be good in radio

1218
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:01,839
and the way he talked

1219
00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:04,640
would be with long pauses quite often

1220
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:06,560
he kept his

1221
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,440
regional accent he was in no way what

1222
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,760
you would call a radio broadcaster

1223
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,680
except he attracted people right and

1224
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,599
left and

1225
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,000
there would be no art bell or any other

1226
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:20,880
people who succeeded art bell without

1227
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,470
but he was in person he was a

1228
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,240
let's just put it this way

1229
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,200
twice in my life i've met steve jobs who

1230
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:33,760
a pretty mercurial kind of guy for a few

1231
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,880
minutes

1232
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,400
and he could be rude

1233
00:48:39,780 --> 00:48:39,119
long john made steve jobs look happy and

1234
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:39,790
friendly

1235
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:42,559
[Laughter]

1236
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:44,800
yeah i've heard i've heard things like

1237
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:47,119
that but he could be a real gentleman on

1238
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,480
the air

1239
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:51,040
oh he was a good actor let's put that i

1240
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:59,990
that's that's great well like you i was

1241
00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:00,880
very

1242
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:01,920
um

1243
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:03,680
impressed and moved by the mothman

1244
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:05,359
prophecies and that of course got me

1245
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:07,599
into keel and reading more of kiehl's

1246
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,920
work um i still consider operation

1247
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:11,280
trojan horse

1248
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,240
one of the finest ufo books ever written

1249
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,800
so we we do share a lot of uh

1250
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:18,319
commonalities there

1251
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,800
um stranger than science was um

1252
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:23,280
instrumental in in in my uh my world as

1253
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:24,800
well uh

1254
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:27,680
as well as uh as of all the

1255
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,079
you know wild talents the sedan and low

1256
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,480
were you know big books too i remember

1257
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:33,760
reading those

1258
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:34,960
uh in

1259
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,760
just or when i just started college

1260
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:39,520
and blew me away of course fort's

1261
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,359
writing style leaves a lot to be desired

1262
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,079
that's what i meant before about how i

1263
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,319
think if i i think if i had come to fort

1264
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:50,800
first i would have been turned off

1265
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:54,640
because he can be difficult uh he he

1266
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:55,839
enjoys

1267
00:50:02,069 --> 00:50:00,160
piling up words to give you an effect

1268
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:02,079
and his choice of vocabulary can be a

1269
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:03,680
little odd

1270
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,839
and it's a very 19th century style

1271
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:09,599
and

1272
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:13,200
often he just he changes subjects

1273
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:16,640
he goes off uh he he has an odd sense of

1274
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,599
humor

1275
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:19,440
that if i had been reading a time i

1276
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,800
wouldn't have realized was meant to be

1277
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,920
funny

1278
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:23,520
so it was much

1279
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,000
better to go through the more accessible

1280
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,559
writers like ivan sanderson i mean if

1281
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:30,400
you were really to

1282
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:32,720
to if i had to pick the one writer that

1283
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,240
probably had the biggest effect on me it

1284
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:36,720
would be ivan sanderson because his

1285
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:39,200
writing was just so enjoyable

1286
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:42,800
he he wrote so well and the stories he

1287
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:46,079
told about jungles and exotic places

1288
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:48,960
were so exciting yeah very compelling

1289
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,200
yeah it was just and and then you'd see

1290
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:53,680
a picture of him with a lemur sitting on

1291
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,160
his head and also you know he lived in

1292
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:58,480
new jersey which was fascinating to me

1293
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:01,920
because i think he died in 72-73

1294
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:04,559
so he was still alive when i was young

1295
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:07,680
and i thought well i could meet him

1296
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,520
so it was uh

1297
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,599
like i said it was just i had a real

1298
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:14,160
fascination for ivan sanderson although

1299
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:15,280
i you know i never heard him on the

1300
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,880
radio at the time i never saw him on

1301
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,720
television at the time but i did have

1302
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,800
the books because the library had them

1303
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:22,800
and then i i i was able to finally find

1304
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:25,359
them uh even though the the only book

1305
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,040
they had for a long time was that last

1306
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,200
one he wrote i think invisible residence

1307
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,160
yeah which is another classic uh ufc

1308
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,559
yeah and that so

1309
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:36,960
we've got robert damon schneck we've got

1310
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:39,119
gene steinberg and chris o'brien you're

1311
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in the paracast

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1367
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welcome back to the paracast the gold

1368
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standard of paranormal radio

1369
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and now

1370
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:18,820
here's jane steinberg

1371
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:25,349
when we remember ivan sanderson i was

1372
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,160
out of his farm once or twice oh well

1373
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,960
you had the chance to meet him oh boy

1374
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:32,480
yeah three or four times at least that

1375
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:33,599
maybe more

1376
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:36,160
i wasn't a friend of his

1377
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:39,200
but i would go out with jim mosley oh

1378
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,079
you know jim mosley too oh my god i was

1379
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:44,319
the first full-time employee of saucer

1380
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,920
news oh for heaven's sake i didn't know

1381
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:48,960
that

1382
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,000
jim and i go back to the early 60s i was

1383
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:54,480
a teenager in brooklyn new york

1384
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:56,319
and i had purchased a copy of jim's

1385
00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:59,280
saucer news from samuel weiser and i

1386
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:01,599
wrote a letter and jim called me

1387
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:03,680
and then as i grew older i helped him

1388
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:06,319
out with his monthly meetings in new

1389
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:07,760
york city

1390
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:09,760
i remember him during his brief marriage

1391
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,839
to this crazy woman named sandra who's

1392
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:13,680
probably listening now

1393
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:16,000
and will now write me nasty letters

1394
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,359
although she did

1395
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,400
produce a sign for the front entrance

1396
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:22,640
of my son's bedroom when he was still

1397
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,079
living at home with us

1398
00:55:26,790 --> 00:55:26,000
jim was on the paracast i but he was

1399
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:26,800
probably

1400
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:28,400
been on the show practically more than

1401
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,440
anybody

1402
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:31,280
he was on the first episode the first

1403
00:55:34,589 --> 00:55:32,960
episode of the power cast which was

1404
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:34,599
february 28th

1405
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:38,160
2006. we had brad steiger who helped

1406
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,839
name the power cast by the way because

1407
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:42,240
originally we were going to call it

1408
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,400
power cast world he said why not just

1409
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:46,559
the power cast and

1410
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:49,119
we said yeah and then we had jim mosley

1411
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:51,280
so it was a like a 90 minute show at

1412
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,960
that time half mosley half steiger and

1413
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:57,119
when you look at jim mosley through the

1414
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:58,079
years

1415
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,559
we had him on maybe a very very few

1416
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:02,480
months before he died

1417
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:05,680
so all totaled we had mostly on

1418
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,880
oh

1419
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,559
16 times

1420
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,160
whenever i needed a guest and i didn't

1421
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:12,240
have anybody that week i'd say jim guess

1422
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:14,480
what you're doing

1423
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:16,240
gene you you were going to uh tell the

1424
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:18,000
story about visiting ivan sanderson's

1425
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:18,960
farm

1426
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:20,960
it's something i barely remember i

1427
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,599
remember being taken out on a long trip

1428
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:25,680
i think it was blairstown new jersey or

1429
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:27,599
something like that really out

1430
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:30,400
in the boondocks and i wasn't a big

1431
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:32,079
person about that but we went into his

1432
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:34,880
living room and we hung out for a while

1433
00:56:39,750 --> 00:56:36,880
and we talked shop and maybe that

1434
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:39,760
happened once or twice

1435
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:40,480
like

1436
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:42,400
african artifacts and

1437
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,760
tibetan uh doges and stuff

1438
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:47,040
oh yeah there are a lot of strange

1439
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:50,079
things there but strangely enough the

1440
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,400
home i remember most was not ivan

1441
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:54,720
sanderson but charles burlitz

1442
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:57,200
because his work room his home office

1443
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:59,839
was built from a ship's cabin

1444
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,880
wow

1445
00:57:04,140 --> 00:57:02,559
[Laughter]

1446
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,150
it was lonely at the top

1447
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:06,880
[Laughter]

1448
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:08,559
well if i ever get there i'll figure it

1449
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:09,920
out

1450
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,480
did sanderson have animals i'm sure he

1451
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:14,799
did but like i said i barely remember it

1452
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:16,799
for some reason it's one of those things

1453
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,000
that really

1454
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,480
didn't make a huge impression possibly i

1455
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:22,880
was tired or something right and after

1456
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:24,880
the long trip i was just glad to sit

1457
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,559
down have a soft drink or maybe a bite

1458
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,960
to eat for lunch it wasn't a long visit

1459
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:32,960
maybe an hour or two right and we did

1460
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,839
this once or twice plus 50 years ago

1461
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,760
it's half a century ago

1462
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:39,520
who were you with that would be with jim

1463
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:40,720
mosley

1464
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:43,920
one time we flew to the midwest we met

1465
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,319
jacques fellay shortly after he wrote

1466
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:48,720
his first book

1467
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:51,359
and then we saw ray palmer how many

1468
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:54,319
people met ray palmer not many wow that

1469
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,280
is something to try and raise and i

1470
00:58:02,470 --> 00:57:59,520
so you see where we went to wisconsin we

1471
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,480
went to amherst wisconsin

1472
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,480
did you have a chance to meet shaver

1473
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:06,880
oh yeah i knew shaver very well oh my

1474
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:09,520
gosh i met shaver at

1475
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:11,119
his cottage

1476
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:12,880
that he and his wife

1477
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:13,839
lived in

1478
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:16,480
in summit arkansas a few years before

1479
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,040
his death and i interviewed him palmer i

1480
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:21,440
interviewed in the 1960s

1481
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:22,480
and then i

1482
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:24,319
interviewed him for a couple of radio

1483
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,000
shows in the 70s

1484
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:28,240
because i had the way to simply pick up

1485
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:30,000
the phone and call him he'd answer most

1486
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:32,559
people palmer would not talk to

1487
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:33,920
but with me

1488
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:34,880
i called

1489
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,000
he dancer i don't know why

1490
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:40,720
so i got to know him a little bit shaver

1491
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,240
i used to have hundreds or maybe

1492
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:44,319
thousands of letters from shaver

1493
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,000
any any of the art

1494
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:48,240
lots of the art i know my first wife

1495
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:51,040
geneva has a lot more oh my gosh you

1496
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:53,119
actually have those you know someone

1497
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:55,119
finally put a book out on them

1498
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:56,319
yes son

1499
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:59,119
yeah i mean it's i i am fascinated by

1500
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:01,839
those palmer's son i mean yeah

1501
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:03,440
well wait a minute we talking about

1502
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:05,520
palmer or shaver i'm talking about

1503
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,799
shavers art

1504
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:08,880
so you're talking about the rock art

1505
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:10,559
right this is where you have these

1506
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,160
little pieces of rock

1507
00:59:16,829 --> 00:59:15,359
and supposedly he was able to pick out

1508
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:16,839
crystal

1509
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:19,599
records of the ancients

1510
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:21,920
and most people it was a rosatch test

1511
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:23,599
you look at it and you think you see

1512
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,559
something

1513
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:26,480
and then somewhere

1514
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:29,599
a year or two before geneva and i split

1515
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:33,440
up this is maybe 1975 74. we got the

1516
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:35,680
knack we look at those pictures and say

1517
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,160
yeah i see what he's talking about right

1518
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,480
i don't know whether i would have it now

1519
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:42,480
if i looked at one of those things but

1520
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:43,839
just it's one of those things where it

1521
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:45,359
just sort of clicks

1522
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:48,000
it's almost like learning music where

1523
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:50,240
one day you wake up and something clicks

1524
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:51,599
and then you're in

1525
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:53,599
well yeah but is it reality or is it

1526
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:56,160
just your peridealia you know and your

1527
01:00:02,309 --> 00:59:58,880
mind well from what i understand the way

1528
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,319
his technique was he would take slices

1529
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:04,559
of rock that were so thin he could

1530
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:06,400
project a light through them

1531
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:07,440
and

1532
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:10,240
then he would project it onto a surface

1533
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:11,839
like maybe a canvas i don't know what he

1534
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:14,640
worked on and then make the drawings and

1535
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:15,680
bring out

1536
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:18,319
what he said was there so a lot of it

1537
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,040
were these erotic shapes and monster

1538
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:23,200
faces you know they were all dyros and

1539
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:24,559
things like that

1540
01:00:28,390 --> 01:00:26,000
that he

1541
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:28,400
saw in the rocks because he said they

1542
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,040
were they were books they were records

1543
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:33,359
right they kept crystalline records

1544
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:35,680
right and we said this is outlandish

1545
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:37,359
and now of course

1546
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:39,040
there's a flash drive

1547
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:39,920
yeah

1548
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:40,880
yes

1549
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,760
but uh it's very funny a lot of people

1550
01:00:47,670 --> 01:00:45,680
just dismiss shaver they say he was

1551
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:47,680
schizophrenic or something maybe he was

1552
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,839
but he's still fascinating well you know

1553
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:51,680
he spent a number of years in a mental

1554
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:54,160
institution yes and according to the

1555
01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,079
book on shaver written by richard

1556
01:01:00,549 --> 01:00:58,400
taranto who was on the show a couple of

1557
01:01:01,349 --> 01:01:00,559
years back and he has a sequel to that

1558
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:01,359
book

1559
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:03,359
he may have been railroaded there

1560
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:04,640
because the family wouldn't have

1561
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:06,319
anything to do with him

1562
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:07,599
because they thought he was a kind of a

1563
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:08,960
whack job

1564
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:11,920
but palmer's relationship with shaffer

1565
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:14,720
was really really very unusual

1566
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:17,839
because as much as he promoted shaver he

1567
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:19,599
sometimes didn't act in his best

1568
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:20,640
interests

1569
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:22,640
the revelation that shaver had been in a

1570
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:25,359
mental institution that goes back to my

1571
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:27,839
interview with palmer in the 60s

1572
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:30,160
where he said this he just dropped it

1573
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:31,680
in the middle of something never said it

1574
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:33,280
before publicly

1575
01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:35,119
but he did and then shaver said no i

1576
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:37,599
wasn't no i wasn't but of course he was

1577
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:38,480
right

1578
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:40,079
because there were a few years that he

1579
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:41,680
didn't account for

1580
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:42,960
and that those were the ones that he

1581
01:01:45,910 --> 01:01:44,240
spent in a mental institution if i

1582
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:45,920
remember correctly

1583
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:48,720
exactly we can talk all day about palmer

1584
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:50,799
yeah i'm sorry you know it's so easy to

1585
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:52,799
do that but it's exciting for me to talk

1586
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:56,000
to someone who met people that i

1587
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:58,319
just i'm so fascinated by

1588
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,720
since you raised the issue what was your

1589
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:02,640
reaction and opinion about shaver and

1590
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:04,880
what he said because this takes us back

1591
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:07,119
to the breakaway civilizations

1592
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:08,640
conversations we've had in the power

1593
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:10,079
cast lately what do you mean about the

1594
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:12,079
whole idea of giros and teros and all

1595
01:02:18,150 --> 01:02:16,160
that the whole idea of there being

1596
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:18,160
another civilization

1597
01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:20,720
on earth tenants in the building it

1598
01:02:25,030 --> 01:02:23,040
doesn't have to be dearos orteros but

1599
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:25,040
that's a fairly common legend with

1600
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:26,799
different words and different names it

1601
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:27,680
is

1602
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:29,920
you know it's a funny thing because

1603
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:31,200
and i thought we weren't going to

1604
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:35,680
discuss this folks but you know what

1605
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:37,920
well i i think that

1606
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:40,319
shaver is fascinating because he is the

1607
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:41,839
sort of person

1608
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:43,599
that could have almost started a

1609
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:46,720
religion he could have almost he is the

1610
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:49,839
kind of person that starts a mythology

1611
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,079
and i guess that does relate a little

1612
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,480
bit to the bye-bye man because

1613
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:56,880
that was a

1614
01:03:02,069 --> 01:02:59,839
an experiment a psychical research a

1615
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:02,079
casual psychical research experiment

1616
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:03,760
that i could see becoming a part of

1617
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,799
american folklore likewise someone like

1618
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,079
shaver

1619
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:10,640
perhaps he was mentally ill perhaps he

1620
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:11,599
did

1621
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:13,280
have delusions

1622
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:14,160
but

1623
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:16,640
he was able to put it together between

1624
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:19,119
him and palmer they were able to put it

1625
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:21,280
together into this coherent

1626
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:23,440
and fascinating view

1627
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:24,400
of

1628
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:25,760
a world

1629
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:26,960
with

1630
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:28,400
in a world

1631
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:29,200
that

1632
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:32,000
explained so many of the oddities in our

1633
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:35,200
world it explained psychical phenomena

1634
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:36,640
you know there were there were the the

1635
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:39,039
deros with their detroit rays was it

1636
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:41,920
detroit rays there were telogrades we've

1637
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:44,160
got to cover more of this because it's

1638
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:45,359
inevitable

1639
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:47,440
that things fall into places you don't

1640
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:50,720
expect robert damon schneck gene

1641
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:52,960
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you notice that when chris says the

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g word he sounds more happy more upbeat

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that's so good

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robert damon schneck author of bye bye

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01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,600
man in other works

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joining us but we somehow

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plopped into the mystery of richard

1761
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:40,799
shaver and the legends of another

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01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:42,159
civilization

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01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:44,080
that escaped the

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01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:46,159
catastrophe that occurred maybe this is

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all about the flood and noah and

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01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:50,080
everything and some beings escaped into

1767
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:53,199
the caverns and they still exist there

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01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:55,359
the good guys being the tyros the bad

1769
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:56,799
guys being

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01:09:02,070 --> 01:08:59,920
the deros the telograys they're able to

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control your mind it's a mind control

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01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:03,120
machine

1773
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:05,279
that can make you do anything they want

1774
01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:06,480
and you know one of the things that

1775
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:08,319
really was so fascinating about the

1776
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:10,319
shaver mystery was that

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when ray palmer put it out there he

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began to get letters from people who had

1779
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had similar experiences

1780
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:19,040
you know there was this is not fiction

1781
01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:21,520
folks there was an article in life

1782
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:24,719
magazine about the phenomenon where

1783
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:27,199
as soon as the shaver story started

1784
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:28,560
and this is a

1785
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:30,080
whole thing that maybe some of you have

1786
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:30,960
heard

1787
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:33,520
ray palmer edited amazing stories for

1788
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,359
zif davis

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01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,960
now you think of ziff davis there is

1790
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,400
still a company called zif davis but

1791
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:40,560
they just have online publications

1792
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,239
but in those days you had a pulp

1793
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:44,560
magazine the original science fiction

1794
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:45,920
magazine

1795
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:48,719
created by hugo guernsbach look him up

1796
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:51,679
amazing stories he runs the shaver stuff

1797
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:53,440
and before he does

1798
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:55,120
he goes to his publisher and says you

1799
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:57,040
know what i think

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01:10:01,110 --> 01:09:59,280
we're going to really make a big deal

1801
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:01,120
but this is happening what during world

1802
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:03,840
war ii the end days of world war ii

1803
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:06,400
they're rationing paper okay they're

1804
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:08,080
rationing paper

1805
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:10,480
so they needed to get enough paper to

1806
01:10:14,830 --> 01:10:12,480
improve the print run

1807
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:14,840
and they ultimately doubled the

1808
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:18,320
circulation of amazing stories receiving

1809
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:20,640
what palmer claims to be thousands and

1810
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:22,480
thousands of letters

1811
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:25,040
from people who said what schaefer says

1812
01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:26,480
was true even though the original

1813
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:28,719
stories were presented as pulp science

1814
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:30,800
fiction you know kind of in the spirit

1815
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:32,560
of edgar rice burroughs who also wrote

1816
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:35,840
for amazing in his final years

1817
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:36,880
and then he was getting all these

1818
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:39,040
letters and people saying no this is the

1819
01:10:42,870 --> 01:10:40,080
truth

1820
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:42,880
as soon as the publisher cracked down

1821
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:45,600
and stopped shaver and stopped

1822
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:47,920
allowing palmer to run those stories the

1823
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:49,679
circulation went back to its former

1824
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:50,560
level

1825
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:52,000
well you know one of the things that is

1826
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:54,400
so interesting about that is that

1827
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:55,679
palmer's

1828
01:11:01,590 --> 01:10:58,560
could have turned the shaver mystery

1829
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:01,600
into the ufo mystery which of course he

1830
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:03,760
played an important part in

1831
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:05,360
at least a keel

1832
01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:07,760
keel really gives him credit for almost

1833
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:11,199
inventing the the whole ufo mystery

1834
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:12,400
i don't know why

1835
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:14,800
the shaver mystery didn't

1836
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:17,199
take off the way ufos did

1837
01:11:21,669 --> 01:11:18,960
but there seemed to be something

1838
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happening during that period there was

1839
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:22,960
a

1840
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,640
would be getting people who would be

1841
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:34,800
claiming to be in contact with the space

1842
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,560
brothers and

1843
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:38,239
the venusians

1844
01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:39,120
and

1845
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:40,320
all you know we'd be having the

1846
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:41,840
contactees

1847
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:42,800
so

1848
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:46,480
very important happening during that

1849
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:47,440
time

1850
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:48,320
uh

1851
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:51,440
these mythologies were being born if you

1852
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:52,560
know if you believe that that's

1853
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:54,719
something else but i think we can say

1854
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:56,480
that there are mythologies surrounding

1855
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:57,840
these things

1856
01:12:02,229 --> 01:11:59,440
you know also with the bye-bye man we

1857
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,239
see the same kind of uh rollover sort of

1858
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:04,400
snowballing effect as well which we

1859
01:12:09,669 --> 01:12:06,960
should dovetail at some point into how

1860
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:09,679
we're still seeing this this kind of

1861
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:10,719
cultural

1862
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:12,960
progression of meme

1863
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:13,760
uh

1864
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:15,760
in the culture and i think it's

1865
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:17,679
fascinating and i think you bring up a

1866
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,280
good point that uh

1867
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:21,280
maybe if shaver had been a little bit

1868
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:24,080
more coherent insane and hadn't hadn't

1869
01:12:29,669 --> 01:12:26,640
been uh let around in a literary sense

1870
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:29,679
by palmer uh somewhat that um he really

1871
01:12:33,189 --> 01:12:31,120
could have maximized the potential with

1872
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:33,199
this and created his own uh cult of

1873
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:35,120
personality and like you said created a

1874
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:39,120
whole genre of cultural mythos yes i

1875
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:41,360
think that's very possible there were a

1876
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:44,560
bunch of very attractive interesting

1877
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,640
people though who were the ufo

1878
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:48,239
contactees

1879
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:51,199
and they were able to do things like the

1880
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:54,000
the meetings at the the boulder

1881
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:55,600
van tassel had the meetings of giant

1882
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:58,159
rock giant rocky yeah so

1883
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:00,719
they were able to do it better the

1884
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:04,080
shaver mystery was so dependent on

1885
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:06,960
shaver and palmer so much that i don't

1886
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:09,120
think it took off independently the way

1887
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:11,040
the flying saucers did

1888
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:13,920
and also it did also require i think a

1889
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:16,719
few extra steps of belief there because

1890
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:19,600
it's not just e.t coming here and maybe

1891
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:22,080
they bring some spaceships but an entire

1892
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:24,960
civilization coexisting with us yeah

1893
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:27,280
it's a little bit more scary sounding i

1894
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:28,800
mean it's a lot easier to accept the

1895
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:30,640
possibility that something is coming

1896
01:13:34,390 --> 01:13:32,880
here and visiting and then maybe leaving

1897
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:34,400
but to have something under your feet

1898
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:36,640
that's that's manipulating your mental

1899
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:37,600
uh

1900
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:40,000
processes and and whatnot

1901
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:41,440
that's a little bit more difficult i

1902
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:43,760
think for people to embrace i guess for

1903
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:45,199
lack of a better word

1904
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:47,120
well palmer did also touch on that a

1905
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,440
little bit with the hollow earth because

1906
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:51,120
he said that the flying saucers were

1907
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:53,199
coming from the hollow earth so it

1908
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:54,719
combined the two

1909
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:56,880
that there were civilizations under our

1910
01:14:01,910 --> 01:13:59,280
feet but they were also flying saucers

1911
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:01,920
but it got really complicated with

1912
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:04,560
palmer because he first talks about

1913
01:14:09,030 --> 01:14:07,440
the flying saucers and he was co-founder

1914
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:09,040
of fate magazine where a lot of the

1915
01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:11,520
flying saucer stuff appeared he was

1916
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:13,040
friends with

1917
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of course kenneth arnold and we have

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that entire

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maury island affair

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but he said and possibly there's

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some truth to this that the arrival of

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the flying saucers at least in the

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modern era was very much predicted by

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shaver oh i didn't i didn't know that

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but then palmer started moving into

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other theories so now he's talking about

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the holes at the poles which is like

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pellucidar the novels from edgar rice

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burrows right okay that's one thing now

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the second thing that gets even crazier

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because

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he talks about the holes of the poles

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and then says the holes of the poles are

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not in this reality they are in an

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alternate reality they're in the astral

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oh see i didn't know he got into that oh

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yeah got pretty crazy let's get back to

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bye bye man sure sure because we have

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this little

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interesting thing here which is called

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an open spontaneous conversation that

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takes us to places we don't expect i

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didn't expect shaver palmer and flying

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saucers i expected vampirism oh bye bye

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man now looking at this now was this a

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real story or is it something that you

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think maybe some of the journalists

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looking to sell papers invented

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okay the bye bye man was a story that

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happened to a friend of mine

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that uh he too so

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i'll just tell the story for people that

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don't know it

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back in 1990

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three students who went to school in

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wisconsin got a

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an old ouija board

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and it was winter and they had a lot of

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free time

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so

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it now my friend's name is eli he was

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dating a girl named catherine they were

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living together at the time if i

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remember correctly and they had a mutual

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friend named jonath now

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the first experiment that eli wanted to

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perform with the ouija board was to see

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if they could get messages eli is very

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01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:16,239
interested in the paranormal he at one

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01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,239
time he was the librarian at the

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american society for psychical research

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01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:23,120
he's always been fascinated by legend

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tripping all the aspects of esp monsters

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everything it interests him

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so the first thing they had to do was

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see if they could get messages and

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jonathan and catherine working together

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were able to get messages we have to

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stop for this message that's fine sure

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[Music]

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hi this is bryce abel i'm the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of ad after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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paracast the gold standard of paranormal

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[Music]

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01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:25,750
robert damon schneck is author of bye

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bye man with gene and chris and we're

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going back to the story that came

2093
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:32,320
through a ouija board yes it did okay

2094
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:34,880
when they began to get messages it was a

2095
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:37,199
little unusual in that

2096
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:39,440
normally people that ask a ouija board

2097
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:42,560
questions will get the answer from let's

2098
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,880
say you want to talk to napoleon and

2099
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:46,800
they'll claim that it's napoleon moving

2100
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:48,800
around the planchette but this was

2101
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:51,840
unusual in that the only way they could

2102
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:54,000
get messages was through something that

2103
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:56,560
called itself the spirit of the board it

2104
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:59,280
was a little bit like a medium's control

2105
01:22:01,990 --> 01:22:00,800
you know when a medium is holding a

2106
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:02,000
seance

2107
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:04,320
often they will have a control that is a

2108
01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:07,360
spirit that they use to meet or contact

2109
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:08,960
other spirits

2110
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:11,440
there have been some famous controls

2111
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:13,120
this medium had a control that called

2112
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:14,960
itself the spirit of the board and it

2113
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:17,760
introduced them to a number of spirits

2114
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:20,159
that had never lived that is to say they

2115
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:22,639
had always been spirits and most of what

2116
01:22:28,709 --> 01:22:25,360
came through the board was pretty nice

2117
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:28,719
normal stuff about good vibrations and

2118
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:31,360
light and love and let's have crystals

2119
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:32,960
and things like that

2120
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:35,360
so it was pretty harmless stuff eli

2121
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:37,360
wanted to push a little further he

2122
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:40,159
wanted to see if they could get messages

2123
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:42,320
if they could still get messages if for

2124
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:44,719
example catherine and jonathan were

2125
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:47,760
blindfolded if the lights were off if

2126
01:22:51,910 --> 01:22:50,320
they could get messages through

2127
01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:51,920
still despite all this kind of

2128
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:53,679
interference and they did they were

2129
01:22:58,149 --> 01:22:56,159
still able to get messages despite that

2130
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:58,159
and then he took it a little further he

2131
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:01,120
would write questions in a notebook and

2132
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:02,880
concentrate on it and see if they could

2133
01:23:06,149 --> 01:23:04,560
get them to answer them they didn't have

2134
01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:06,159
quite as much luck with that though he

2135
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:07,520
said they did get a few things that

2136
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:09,679
suggested something was happening

2137
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:12,400
finally he decided that it would be most

2138
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:14,159
interesting if they could come in

2139
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:17,600
contact with a spirit of someone who had

2140
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:20,719
lived that is to say an actual ghost

2141
01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:22,960
type spirit instead of all these spirits

2142
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:25,360
that had never existed in the world he

2143
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:27,440
wanted to talk to a spirit that had

2144
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:28,320
lived

2145
01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:30,480
could get some information

2146
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:34,080
from the board and look it up to verify

2147
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:36,719
that this was indeed accurate and that's

2148
01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:38,480
what they wanted that's that was the

2149
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:40,080
next step in the experiments they were

2150
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:41,360
doing

2151
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:42,320
now

2152
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:45,040
the spirit of the board didn't have any

2153
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:47,280
luck contacting someone like that but

2154
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:49,600
the spirit told them that he was in

2155
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:51,280
contact with somebody who was still

2156
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:55,520
alive but that this person was very evil

2157
01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:56,320
and

2158
01:23:58,950 --> 01:23:57,840
he didn't think it would be the spirit

2159
01:24:01,270 --> 01:23:58,960
didn't think it would be a very good

2160
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:01,280
idea for them to talk to him well that

2161
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:03,040
did it for eli this was the one he

2162
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:04,960
wanted to talk to he had to talk to this

2163
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:07,199
one because he loves horror he loves

2164
01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:08,719
that sort of thing

2165
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:11,600
and uh catherine was reluctant but

2166
01:24:14,229 --> 01:24:13,280
eventually

2167
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:14,239
they

2168
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:16,719
forced the spirit of the board

2169
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:20,800
to at least convey messages between them

2170
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:22,159
and this

2171
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:24,000
figure that called itself the bye-bye

2172
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:25,440
man

2173
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:27,040
they eventually got the spirit of the

2174
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:29,600
board to do it by going on strike they

2175
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:31,360
the spirit of the board and the other

2176
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:33,360
spirits love to communicate

2177
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,960
so they they said we're not going to

2178
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:36,480
communicate with you anymore unless you

2179
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:38,960
give us messages from the bye-bye men

2180
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:41,440
and that that's how through

2181
01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:44,880
a long series of sittings they were able

2182
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:47,600
to put together this story now the story

2183
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:49,440
that they told

2184
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:52,239
was that the bye-bye man had been born

2185
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:55,600
in louisiana sometime in the 1920s he

2186
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:58,560
was an albino his parents or parent we

2187
01:25:02,629 --> 01:25:00,639
don't know anything about him really

2188
01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:02,639
stuck him in an orphanage

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01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:05,600
in a place called algiers

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now

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as the

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bye bye man got older he never gave them

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any other name besides the bye-bye man

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he became more and more restless he

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wanted to get escaped from the

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orphanage he ran away finally he was old

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enough that he attacked a nurse with a

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pair of scissors seriously injured her

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and escaped and began to ride the rails

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now there's no explanation for how this

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01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:34,159
happened or where he learned it but

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apparently he became involved with

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voodoo or black magic

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and

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bodies horribly mutilated bodies began

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01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:44,320
to turn up by the railroad tracks with

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their tongues and their eyes missing

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and what he was doing was he was

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collecting their tongues and eyes and

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01:25:56,229 --> 01:25:53,440
putting them in a bag that was called

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the bag or the sack of gore

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01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:59,600
and at this point he was wearing a black

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peacoat

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a broad brimmed hat his hair had grown

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long

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01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:06,320
and he would wear dark glasses with the

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01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:09,040
lens painted black sounds like edgar

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01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,239
winter yes a little bit

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01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:14,639
what he was doing with those eyes and

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01:26:20,149 --> 01:26:17,679
tongues was he had sewn them together

2221
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:20,159
into a monster and somehow brought this

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01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:22,800
monster to life and this monster was

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01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:24,719
called gloom singer and what this

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01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:27,440
monster did was it helped him find new

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01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:28,480
victims

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01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:35,120
them learning his name once a person

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01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:37,920
learned the name the bye bye man it

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turned them into a kind of a beacon and

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01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:43,120
as long as they thought about that name

2230
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he would begin to

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01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:47,440
head in their direction he would start

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to ride railroads and come towards them

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getting closer and closer for as long as

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they thought about him now he was blind

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but gloom singer his monster would help

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01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:03,199
him finally close in on the victim

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01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:05,520
bloomsinger was all tongues and eyes so

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apparently he would walk around on those

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tongues locate the victim and when

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he found them he would give off this

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01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:15,760
whistle and this whistle

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01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:18,719
was a signal to the bye-bye man to come

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01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:21,280
in and kill the victim that sounds a

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01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:24,560
little ironic a monster made of eyes

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01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:26,800
in tongues they couldn't see oh no no

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01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:28,880
the gloom singer could see the bye-bye

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01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:30,960
man oh the bye-bye man was blind okay

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okay i'm getting myself confused here

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i'm sorry i thought i thought i

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explained i i think i was off getting my

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uh nebulizer when

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you started the story i'm sorry continue

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01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:43,360
all right that's right anyway when

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01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:46,960
catherine heard this story she was done

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she wanted nothing more to do with this

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she had a history of strange experiences

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01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:54,320
and she found them very unpleasant

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so

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even though eli encouraged her he really

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wanted to continue she was finished

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01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:04,800
afterwards things got a little strange

2262
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:06,880
jonathan went off he was going to school

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01:28:10,709 --> 01:28:08,400
in madison wisconsin they were in a

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place called sun prairie catherine could

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no longer sleep at night she was having

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insomnia she was having nightmares she

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was waking up early

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eli was fine nothing bothered him

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01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:23,120
finally she was uh exhausted and eli

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thought he would take her to wasso which

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is his his hometown to a concert and it

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was a beautiful spring day he took her

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down to this place called barker stewart

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island now barker stewart island is in

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the middle of the wisconsin river and

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there's a railroad bridge going across

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it

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bodies of lumberjacks who died upstream

2279
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:46,800
would sometimes wash up on body island

2280
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it was a beautiful afternoon they were

2281
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they were getting ready for the concert

2282
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eli went down to the river he said there

2283
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was a turtle down there or something he

2284
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went to look at catherine was walking

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01:29:00,550 --> 01:28:57,600
across the railroad bridge when she

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01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:00,560
heard a whistle now hearing a whistle on

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a railroad bridge is not that strange it

2288
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:04,960
was an active bridge but she said it

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didn't sound like a train whistle it

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01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:09,520
sounded like a human whistle and it got

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louder and louder and louder and she

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became terrified she ran off the bridge

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she had spent the rest of the day having

2294
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panic attacks it was a terrible

2295
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experience for her eli heard nothing

2296
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:25,199
soon after that he went to go visit

2297
01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:28,239
jonathan in in madison now jonathan had

2298
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:30,880
also been having nightmares he'd been

2299
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having trouble sleeping he'd been waking

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up early and he had also had a very

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strange experience

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he lived in the third floor of a

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boarding house

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one night he was lying in bed when he

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heard a knock on the door catherine's

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was outside the door and she said hey

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jonathan come on let's go get breakfast

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and jonathan drags himself up and he

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looks out the window and he sees it's

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not morning it's the middle of the night

2311
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and he looks at his clock and that

2312
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confirms it it is the middle of the

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night the knocking on the door continues

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and catherine's voice continues to say

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jonathan come on out let's go get

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breakfast he crumples in terror he

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collapses on the floor and in that slit

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of light underneath the door he sees a

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pair of shadows because there's a light

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in the hallway he sees the shadows of

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feet outside his door

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he spent the rest of the night lying

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there terrified eventually the feet went

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away even though it was a boarding house

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most likely the front door had been

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locked but somehow some was something

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had gotten in and terrified him let's do

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our break with robert damon schneck gene

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we are immersed in such a fascinating

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story here robert damon schneck author

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of bye bye man go on please

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well after that i think it was soon

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after that i believe that catherine and

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eli broke up then catherine and jonathan

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began dating but the story continued in

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that eli

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took this story and he began to tell it

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on devil's night now devil's night is

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what they call the night before

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halloween in his part of the country

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where i grew up in in paramus new jersey

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we call the cabbage night other people

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call it goosey night i've heard it

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called a lot of things and every devil's

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night eli throws a party the party ends

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the same way he has all the guests tell

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their own personal experiences with

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ghosts or flying saucers or monsters or

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psychical phenomena

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and then he would tell the story of the

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bye-bye man that's where i heard it i

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heard it at one of these devil's night

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stories and it got to me

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01:36:33,189 --> 01:36:31,440
like you guys i have heard a lot of

2456
01:36:35,110 --> 01:36:33,199
strange stories

2457
01:36:36,550 --> 01:36:35,120
i heard a story about some guys who were

2458
01:36:38,629 --> 01:36:36,560
peeing by the side of the road they were

2459
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:38,639
out hunting when they saw this gigantic

2460
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:40,960
bigfoot pop up and start heading towards

2461
01:36:45,030 --> 01:36:42,960
them in the whole tall weeds

2462
01:36:47,189 --> 01:36:45,040
i've heard stories about light bulbs

2463
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:47,199
that would answer questions

2464
01:36:51,109 --> 01:36:48,639
in code

2465
01:36:53,030 --> 01:36:51,119
i've heard monster stories ghost stories

2466
01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:53,040
but this story of the bye bye man

2467
01:36:58,470 --> 01:36:55,840
bothered me i remember the night after

2468
01:37:01,430 --> 01:36:58,480
the party lying in bed looking at that

2469
01:37:03,270 --> 01:37:01,440
slit of light under my bedroom door

2470
01:37:05,910 --> 01:37:03,280
and it stayed with me

2471
01:37:07,990 --> 01:37:05,920
when the time came and i was putting

2472
01:37:10,629 --> 01:37:08,000
together the book the president's

2473
01:37:12,550 --> 01:37:10,639
vampire i decided i would include it i

2474
01:37:13,830 --> 01:37:12,560
came very close to not including it

2475
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:13,840
which would have been a big mistake

2476
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:16,000
because it's the most popular story i've

2477
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:18,560
ever told and look it's a movie so

2478
01:37:23,990 --> 01:37:21,520
obviously this story had mass appeal and

2479
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:24,000
i knew it when i heard it i said this is

2480
01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:25,360
too good

2481
01:37:30,550 --> 01:37:28,320
so the story entered the book and then

2482
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:30,560
it was optioned and it was a few years

2483
01:37:36,070 --> 01:37:32,960
after the story of the bye bye men was

2484
01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:36,080
told that the slender man appeared and

2485
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:38,159
the funny thing was that that's what i

2486
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,560
thought the bye-bye man was going to do

2487
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:42,560
i thought the bye-bye man had a good

2488
01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:44,400
chance of becoming a part of american

2489
01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:47,360
folklore the way the slender man has

2490
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:49,600
i'll be honest i was jealous when

2491
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:52,560
slender man appeared and it it suddenly

2492
01:37:56,550 --> 01:37:55,040
just spread through american folklore

2493
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:56,560
the way it has i mean

2494
01:38:01,270 --> 01:37:59,040
this slender man is a copyrighted figure

2495
01:38:04,709 --> 01:38:01,280
we know who created it we know the day

2496
01:38:06,790 --> 01:38:04,719
it first appeared we know who owns it

2497
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:06,800
but it's a little bit more innocuous uh

2498
01:38:11,669 --> 01:38:08,960
though compared to the the horror and

2499
01:38:13,750 --> 01:38:11,679
the it's downright macabre uh the

2500
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:13,760
bye-bye man a lot of people you know

2501
01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:15,600
they'll they'll expose themselves to

2502
01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:16,960
something like that but then put it out

2503
01:38:21,669 --> 01:38:19,679
of mind well the slender man inspired an

2504
01:38:23,590 --> 01:38:21,679
attempted murder by children so i'd say

2505
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:23,600
it's probably not that innocuous

2506
01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:25,440
and again and i'll admit i was a little

2507
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:26,800
jealous when that happened too because i

2508
01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:28,960
thought to myself my god imagine the

2509
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:32,239
grip on these people's minds that the

2510
01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:34,159
slender man must have

2511
01:38:37,590 --> 01:38:36,320
what the bye-bye man will eventually do

2512
01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:37,600
i don't know

2513
01:38:40,310 --> 01:38:38,800
because

2514
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:40,320
the story

2515
01:38:45,669 --> 01:38:43,040
since it was optioned and since it was

2516
01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:45,679
owned by the movie company

2517
01:38:49,510 --> 01:38:46,639
they

2518
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:49,520
would put a stop to it when pieces of it

2519
01:38:53,590 --> 01:38:51,280
would appear online

2520
01:38:56,709 --> 01:38:53,600
because i noticed that soon after the

2521
01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:56,719
story was told it began variations of it

2522
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:58,639
began to appear online

2523
01:39:02,550 --> 01:38:59,920
right away

2524
01:39:05,109 --> 01:39:02,560
so it was undergoing that process of

2525
01:39:07,669 --> 01:39:05,119
entering folklore when

2526
01:39:09,430 --> 01:39:07,679
the that plug was pulled now that the

2527
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:09,440
movie will the movie's going to be

2528
01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:10,880
coming out in december

2529
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:13,760
and when that happens i'm wondering if

2530
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:16,560
it's possible that it might again

2531
01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:18,880
become a part of folklore we'll see

2532
01:39:21,109 --> 01:39:20,320
that's the only thing that

2533
01:39:23,109 --> 01:39:21,119
we

2534
01:39:25,109 --> 01:39:23,119
can do is sit and wait i would actually

2535
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:25,119
bet that it uh i'd put money on the fact

2536
01:39:28,870 --> 01:39:26,960
that it will i mean there's so many

2537
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:28,880
people out there that are just yearning

2538
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:29,840
for the

2539
01:39:34,070 --> 01:39:31,760
there's so much interest in ghosts and

2540
01:39:35,189 --> 01:39:34,080
horror and the occult and all these

2541
01:39:37,270 --> 01:39:35,199
things there seems to be a real

2542
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:37,280
resurgence of interest in these subjects

2543
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:40,080
and and this would be perfect a perfect

2544
01:39:45,990 --> 01:39:43,360
potential meet and you know super meme

2545
01:39:49,030 --> 01:39:46,000
i'm looking over the credits of the film

2546
01:39:51,189 --> 01:39:49,040
michael trucco from battlestar galactica

2547
01:39:54,310 --> 01:39:51,199
plays one of the key characters faye

2548
01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:54,320
dunaway when i heard that faith dunaway

2549
01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:57,040
was in it my jaw fell open

2550
01:40:01,590 --> 01:39:59,040
you know i'm sure everyone involved in

2551
01:40:04,229 --> 01:40:01,600
this doug jones is terrific but faye

2552
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:04,239
dunaway is a movie star

2553
01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:07,280
you know she she is somebody

2554
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:09,520
like we're talking someone like betty

2555
01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:12,560
davis and fate dunaway

2556
01:40:16,870 --> 01:40:14,639
no hey ever since bonnie and clyde in

2557
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:16,880
that last scene where she's like getting

2558
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:19,280
riddled by machine gun bullets she kind

2559
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:21,360
of wrote her wrote her ticket

2560
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:23,920
also carrie anne moss

2561
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:26,560
oh well okay we certainly remember her

2562
01:40:30,550 --> 01:40:28,560
there's some star power there yeah oh

2563
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:30,560
yeah i mean it's amazing that she's

2564
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:32,960
there of course matrix but also

2565
01:40:37,270 --> 01:40:33,840
the

2566
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:37,280
netflix superhero series jessica jones

2567
01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:39,280
wow it's it sounds it's not well with

2568
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:41,520
the weinstein brothers i mean

2569
01:40:44,790 --> 01:40:42,719
you know this is going to be a major

2570
01:40:46,870 --> 01:40:44,800
release and and i'm sure with a little

2571
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:46,880
bit of publicity i think it's just

2572
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:49,520
perfectly positioned uh time-wise to to

2573
01:40:53,590 --> 01:40:51,920
really do well i think that these these

2574
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:53,600
subjects are really

2575
01:40:58,149 --> 01:40:55,360
i think we're we're we haven't crested

2576
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:58,159
the wave yet uh on these subjects i i

2577
01:41:02,870 --> 01:41:01,119
see a real rising interest i think it's

2578
01:41:05,350 --> 01:41:02,880
partially due to the success of all the

2579
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:05,360
ghost shows and people then

2580
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:06,960
you know the reality part of the ghost

2581
01:41:11,109 --> 01:41:09,280
thing is is really it's kind of waning

2582
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:11,119
and so i think that there's a

2583
01:41:14,629 --> 01:41:13,040
there's kind of a um

2584
01:41:15,990 --> 01:41:14,639
there's a there's a gap that needs to be

2585
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,000
filled right now and this this could

2586
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:18,480
potentially do that and much luck on on

2587
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:20,239
the project hopefully you have some sort

2588
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:22,239
of back end arrangement

2589
01:41:26,950 --> 01:41:23,760
i don't know what that means

2590
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:26,960
well if the movie makes a lot of money

2591
01:41:31,990 --> 01:41:29,679
they send you a check oh no no no no

2592
01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:32,000
it's just the option you know there was

2593
01:41:36,070 --> 01:41:34,080
and i understand that that makes that

2594
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:36,080
makes perfect sense because

2595
01:41:39,430 --> 01:41:37,920
really the the odds were that it never

2596
01:41:41,590 --> 01:41:39,440
would have happened

2597
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:41,600
right but getting an option extended

2598
01:41:46,229 --> 01:41:44,159
that's even more unusual and you know

2599
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:46,239
much luck on the project obviously it's

2600
01:41:51,189 --> 01:41:48,480
going to help you with book sales oh

2601
01:41:53,189 --> 01:41:51,199
yeah that that is something we're all

2602
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:53,199
very excited about in fact

2603
01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:56,000
the book is also available as a

2604
01:41:59,189 --> 01:41:57,280
an audiobook

2605
01:42:01,750 --> 01:41:59,199
and they got scott brick to do it which

2606
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:01,760
was really great because he there are

2607
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:03,840
people who will rent a book just to hear

2608
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:06,239
him read it he's got a

2609
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:08,080
incredible voice and

2610
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:10,880
the uh he's an actor so it comes through

2611
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:12,960
in in the storytelling

2612
01:42:18,310 --> 01:42:15,360
just to let our listeners know the movie

2613
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:18,320
scheduled to premiere on the 9th of

2614
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:19,600
december

2615
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:21,360
and apparently a lot of it or all of it

2616
01:42:26,790 --> 01:42:24,239
was filmed in ohio in cleveland

2617
01:42:30,149 --> 01:42:26,800
yeah why is that choice made because of

2618
01:42:32,070 --> 01:42:30,159
the locations of the story or because

2619
01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:32,080
very much part it's not as expensive to

2620
01:42:36,830 --> 01:42:35,280
film in ohio as it is in l.a because

2621
01:42:40,470 --> 01:42:36,840
cleveland rocks

2622
01:42:42,070 --> 01:42:40,480
[Laughter]

2623
01:42:44,550 --> 01:42:42,080
i don't know how they made their

2624
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:44,560
decisions i assume that part of it was

2625
01:42:47,430 --> 01:42:45,360
uh

2626
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:47,440
price it's not a big-budget movie you

2627
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:49,840
know like a lot of horror movies it's

2628
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:52,480
been done on a a relatively modest

2629
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:54,880
budget and it's you know it's going to

2630
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:56,320
make a profit because they do it on a

2631
01:42:58,870 --> 01:42:57,520
relatively

2632
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:58,880
modest budget

2633
01:43:01,990 --> 01:42:59,760
so

2634
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:02,000
they they did it in cleveland and i

2635
01:43:07,109 --> 01:43:04,400
again i don't know how much of the

2636
01:43:08,709 --> 01:43:07,119
original story they used but cleveland

2637
01:43:12,070 --> 01:43:08,719
is a railroad hub

2638
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:12,080
so if they used a lot of the railroad

2639
01:43:15,910 --> 01:43:14,639
part of the story it makes sense to have

2640
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:15,920
filmed it there

2641
01:43:21,109 --> 01:43:18,239
also of course cleveland was the site of

2642
01:43:23,270 --> 01:43:21,119
the mad butcher of kingsbury run who was

2643
01:43:26,149 --> 01:43:23,280
a serial killer who'd actually did leave

2644
01:43:28,470 --> 01:43:26,159
bodies who who murdered people in trade

2645
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:28,480
you know by the trains tracks

2646
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:30,000
and uh

2647
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:32,560
so there is a at the at the right time

2648
01:43:36,550 --> 01:43:34,480
for the bye-bye man so there's a little

2649
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:36,560
there's a little bit of uh

2650
01:43:40,149 --> 01:43:38,719
cross-current there yeah and they may it

2651
01:43:43,830 --> 01:43:40,159
may have changed the location in the

2652
01:43:45,510 --> 01:43:43,840
movie to to um to ohio as well

2653
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:45,520
they might have i really don't know like

2654
01:43:49,590 --> 01:43:47,040
i said i honestly don't know what

2655
01:43:51,430 --> 01:43:49,600
they've done uh all i know is what i've

2656
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:51,440
seen in the trailer

2657
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:53,280
and and of course i've had the the

2658
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:55,600
chance to chat online with people like

2659
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:57,920
doug jones which is just so exciting for

2660
01:44:00,950 --> 01:43:59,040
me you know

2661
01:44:01,990 --> 01:44:00,960
writers spend almost all of their time

2662
01:44:05,590 --> 01:44:02,000
alone

2663
01:44:08,709 --> 01:44:05,600
and the idea that you go from

2664
01:44:09,990 --> 01:44:08,719
spending years writing by yourself to

2665
01:44:12,070 --> 01:44:10,000
suddenly

2666
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:12,080
that you you might be flying off to

2667
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:14,639
hollywood to attend a movie premiere

2668
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:16,560
with faye dunaway that just doesn't even

2669
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:19,040
seem real looking over here about

2670
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:20,560
who else is involved

2671
01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:23,920
the director's name is stacy teitel what

2672
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:26,800
a name for a movie director yeah it is

2673
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:29,360
and she's done uh several horror movies

2674
01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:30,960
and her husband

2675
01:44:35,109 --> 01:44:32,719
uh john penner

2676
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:35,119
wrote the screenplay

2677
01:44:40,709 --> 01:44:37,679
and he's he's well known from uh reality

2678
01:44:43,350 --> 01:44:40,719
shows uh i think he was one survivor or

2679
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:43,360
something i'll be honest i don't know

2680
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:46,320
she also won among her credits there was

2681
01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:48,800
a tv movie based on the lone ranger who

2682
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:51,760
didn't do very well in 2003 she was

2683
01:44:57,189 --> 01:44:54,239
involved with that as a producer a

2684
01:45:00,950 --> 01:44:59,510
so you know she had involvement on that

2685
01:45:04,149 --> 01:45:00,960
and she was also involved in the movie

2686
01:45:07,510 --> 01:45:06,070
again i i really don't know anything

2687
01:45:09,510 --> 01:45:07,520
about this i

2688
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:09,520
i i'm going to go in

2689
01:45:13,189 --> 01:45:11,760
when when the movie premieres i'm going

2690
01:45:14,390 --> 01:45:13,199
to go in i'm going to say hello to

2691
01:45:16,950 --> 01:45:14,400
everyone and i'm going to get the hell

2692
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:16,960
out because that is just

2693
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:18,000
so

2694
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:20,320
unlike anything i have anything to do

2695
01:45:23,830 --> 01:45:22,639
with i uh i'm a little spooked by it to

2696
01:45:26,470 --> 01:45:23,840
be honest

2697
01:45:29,830 --> 01:45:26,480
it's gotta be surreal we have the cereal

2698
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:29,840
robert damon schnick with the surreal

2699
01:45:39,750 --> 01:45:32,159
gene and the surreal chris

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[Applause]

2754
01:48:04,070 --> 01:48:00,149
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2755
01:48:05,109 --> 01:48:04,080
standard of paranormal radio

2756
01:48:08,450 --> 01:48:05,119
now

2757
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:08,460
here's jane steinberg

2758
01:48:16,229 --> 01:48:13,590
that's doing it sounding much more

2759
01:48:19,910 --> 01:48:16,239
optimistic chris o'brien we're talking

2760
01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:19,920
to robert damon schneck the bye bye man

2761
01:48:25,109 --> 01:48:23,360
the movie is coming out in december

2762
01:48:27,189 --> 01:48:25,119
i would expect that since it's being

2763
01:48:30,709 --> 01:48:27,199
presented as a horror film

2764
01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:30,719
are rated or pg-13 no idea like i said

2765
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:32,880
they they haven't told me anything

2766
01:48:39,109 --> 01:48:36,239
judging by the trailer i would say it

2767
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:39,119
looks like it might be a hard pg-13 that

2768
01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:41,360
seems to be what a lot of horror movies

2769
01:48:45,750 --> 01:48:43,840
are coming out as now like the film

2770
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:45,760
oculus and

2771
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:48,560
the conjuring i think those are pg-13s

2772
01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:51,199
i think insidious was even a pg-13 but

2773
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:53,440
think of it this way if it succeeds

2774
01:48:57,510 --> 01:48:55,760
there'll be a bye-bye man too

2775
01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:57,520
could very well and

2776
01:49:01,350 --> 01:48:59,280
i think part of the reason they were

2777
01:49:03,669 --> 01:49:01,360
attracted to it was that it had the

2778
01:49:05,030 --> 01:49:03,679
potential to be a franchise and of

2779
01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:05,040
course they're always interested in

2780
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:06,800
something that has the potential for

2781
01:49:11,510 --> 01:49:09,199
that i'll just be very interested to see

2782
01:49:14,870 --> 01:49:11,520
what happens again when i sit down in

2783
01:49:17,510 --> 01:49:14,880
that theater and for the premiere i will

2784
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:17,520
know know more about it than anyone else

2785
01:49:20,950 --> 01:49:19,360
i'll know less about it than anyone

2786
01:49:23,189 --> 01:49:20,960
who's there because they were all

2787
01:49:25,510 --> 01:49:23,199
involved in the actual filming

2788
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:25,520
you may find that maybe the title is all

2789
01:49:29,510 --> 01:49:26,400
that

2790
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:29,520
resembles your book and to show you as

2791
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:31,119
an example of this

2792
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:32,400
we've mentioned this in the power cast

2793
01:49:36,709 --> 01:49:33,760
before but i'll give you an example of

2794
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:36,719
how things work very few people know

2795
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:37,920
that the

2796
01:49:43,910 --> 01:49:41,199
classic b sci-fi movie from the 1950s

2797
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:43,920
earth versus the flying saucers with ray

2798
01:49:49,109 --> 01:49:46,080
harryhausen special effects

2799
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:49,119
very few people know it was suggested by

2800
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:51,360
a book called flying saucers from outer

2801
01:49:57,270 --> 01:49:54,159
space by major donald kehoe the first 30

2802
01:50:00,390 --> 01:49:57,280
seconds covers ufos in an almost serious

2803
01:50:02,310 --> 01:50:00,400
docudrama way but that was it i guess

2804
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:02,320
they bought it i suspect because they

2805
01:50:07,030 --> 01:50:04,800
wanted to option the name flying saucers

2806
01:50:09,270 --> 01:50:07,040
so might as well go to a book writer who

2807
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:09,280
wrote a book about flying saucers that

2808
01:50:13,270 --> 01:50:11,440
could very well be it and again i'm not

2809
01:50:14,870 --> 01:50:13,280
going to sit there and complain uh you

2810
01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:14,880
know if they i'm not going to say they

2811
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:17,199
ruined my book yeah really have no

2812
01:50:21,669 --> 01:50:19,920
attachments no i i really don't have any

2813
01:50:23,669 --> 01:50:21,679
attachments and i'll tell you the truth

2814
01:50:26,709 --> 01:50:23,679
even though this is my most popular

2815
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:26,719
story the fact of the matter is i am one

2816
01:50:32,550 --> 01:50:29,280
link in a chain of storytellers this

2817
01:50:35,750 --> 01:50:32,560
story was first told by a ouija board

2818
01:50:37,750 --> 01:50:35,760
then my friend eli told it and refined

2819
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:37,760
it and did some embellishing and

2820
01:50:43,109 --> 01:50:40,400
exaggeration over time when he would

2821
01:50:45,030 --> 01:50:43,119
tell it at his devil's night parties

2822
01:50:47,030 --> 01:50:45,040
when it came time for me to put it in

2823
01:50:49,030 --> 01:50:47,040
the book i spoke to him and i worked

2824
01:50:51,830 --> 01:50:49,040
with him and i tried to get him to tell

2825
01:50:54,149 --> 01:50:51,840
the story as accurately as he remembered

2826
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:54,159
but you see the story was always being

2827
01:51:00,790 --> 01:50:57,840
told by another person so i was just one

2828
01:51:03,030 --> 01:51:00,800
link in the chain i was lucky in that i

2829
01:51:04,550 --> 01:51:03,040
was the link that got optioned i'm not

2830
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:04,560
going to scream that they murdered my

2831
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:06,400
baby if they made some changes in the

2832
01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:07,679
story

2833
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:09,280
well maybe you should come up with the

2834
01:51:17,270 --> 01:51:15,669
i'd sorry i couldn't resist now if we're

2835
01:51:19,030 --> 01:51:17,280
looking at a story here that was based

2836
01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:19,040
on something from a ouija board how

2837
01:51:24,149 --> 01:51:20,960
close can you get to anything that could

2838
01:51:25,910 --> 01:51:24,159
possibly be real about it well i did do

2839
01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:25,920
some research to see if there was

2840
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:28,080
anything to the story that that the

2841
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:30,080
bye-bye man or the spirit of the board

2842
01:51:33,430 --> 01:51:31,199
told them

2843
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:33,440
and i wasn't able to

2844
01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:34,800
prove anything

2845
01:51:41,830 --> 01:51:39,040
you know algiers does exist but algiers

2846
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:41,840
is a section of new orleans now i don't

2847
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:43,280
think they knew that

2848
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:44,800
not a lot of people know that there's an

2849
01:51:49,270 --> 01:51:46,880
algiers section of new orleans and it's

2850
01:51:51,189 --> 01:51:49,280
a railroad hub i suspect that they got

2851
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:51,199
the idea of algiers

2852
01:51:54,950 --> 01:51:52,719
with mickey rourke where he played a

2853
01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:54,960
detective and involved voodoo

2854
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:57,440
angel something angel heart i suspect

2855
01:52:00,790 --> 01:51:59,280
that they were inspired by the movie

2856
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:00,800
angel heart because

2857
01:52:07,669 --> 01:52:03,920
that movie takes place in algiers and

2858
01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:07,679
they show algiers as a a rural

2859
01:52:13,990 --> 01:52:10,800
bayou country kind of place but it's not

2860
01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:14,000
it's a railroad hub like cleveland is

2861
01:52:19,589 --> 01:52:16,719
and i suspect that it was the the view

2862
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:19,599
of algiers that appeared in that movie

2863
01:52:24,709 --> 01:52:22,880
that inspired that aspect of the story

2864
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:24,719
i also looked there was never an

2865
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:28,480
orphanage in algiers there was a home

2866
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:29,199
for

2867
01:52:34,550 --> 01:52:31,920
children with disabilities which a child

2868
01:52:38,229 --> 01:52:34,560
with albinism could potentially have

2869
01:52:40,070 --> 01:52:38,239
been put into but that home wasn't built

2870
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:40,080
until the 1960s

2871
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:41,760
there was an orphanage in a place called

2872
01:52:47,109 --> 01:52:44,400
gretna if i remember correctly but

2873
01:52:49,350 --> 01:52:47,119
nothing odd about that uh that was

2874
01:52:52,550 --> 01:52:49,360
nowhere that was up the river and not

2875
01:52:54,709 --> 01:52:52,560
and it was not uh not part of algiers so

2876
01:52:57,669 --> 01:52:54,719
i was not able to

2877
01:53:01,430 --> 01:52:57,679
verify any of the story that the bye-bye

2878
01:53:03,910 --> 01:53:01,440
man told i think that what happened was

2879
01:53:06,310 --> 01:53:03,920
keep in mind this was not a laboratory

2880
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:06,320
experiment these were not scientists

2881
01:53:10,950 --> 01:53:08,800
doing research these were three college

2882
01:53:14,229 --> 01:53:10,960
students who would talk about the

2883
01:53:15,910 --> 01:53:14,239
stories as bits and pieces appeared

2884
01:53:19,750 --> 01:53:15,920
through the ouija board so they would

2885
01:53:22,310 --> 01:53:19,760
discuss it and the story has a strong

2886
01:53:25,589 --> 01:53:22,320
feeling of folklore to it and i suspect

2887
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:25,599
that eli contributed that because he

2888
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:29,440
actually has a degree in folklore

2889
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:31,199
yeah i mean i'm not saying that they

2890
01:53:35,830 --> 01:53:34,800
hoaxed it but i suspect that the story

2891
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:35,840
grew

2892
01:53:40,149 --> 01:53:38,320
through each of them adding bits and

2893
01:53:41,910 --> 01:53:40,159
pieces and it would finally come

2894
01:53:43,350 --> 01:53:41,920
filtered out through the planchette of

2895
01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:43,360
the ouija board

2896
01:53:46,709 --> 01:53:45,040
now somebody else looking at this could

2897
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:46,719
come up with a very different conclusion

2898
01:53:52,709 --> 01:53:48,400
they could say for example

2899
01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:52,719
that uh it was zozo yeah you see zozo or

2900
01:53:57,990 --> 01:53:55,840
charlie or one of those other creatures

2901
01:54:00,550 --> 01:53:58,000
that uh supposedly comes through the

2902
01:54:03,030 --> 01:54:00,560
ouija board evil spirits i mean

2903
01:54:04,149 --> 01:54:03,040
for somebody that takes for example the

2904
01:54:05,109 --> 01:54:04,159
idea

2905
01:54:08,709 --> 01:54:05,119
that

2906
01:54:11,430 --> 01:54:08,719
the ouija board is a way for evil

2907
01:54:13,350 --> 01:54:11,440
spirits to speak to people uh they could

2908
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:13,360
certainly see the bye-bye man in that

2909
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:14,480
light

2910
01:54:17,030 --> 01:54:16,320
and i and i discussed that in the book

2911
01:54:19,109 --> 01:54:17,040
that

2912
01:54:20,709 --> 01:54:19,119
what do you think of the the idea of the

2913
01:54:22,709 --> 01:54:20,719
ouija board and how

2914
01:54:25,830 --> 01:54:22,719
young impressionable kids with lots of

2915
01:54:28,390 --> 01:54:25,840
energy uh hormonal and otherwise

2916
01:54:31,910 --> 01:54:28,400
are possibly opening the door to lower

2917
01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:31,920
vibration um energy forms um which is

2918
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:34,320
kind of a popular sort of pop culture

2919
01:54:38,470 --> 01:54:36,800
interpretation of of you know the

2920
01:54:39,430 --> 01:54:38,480
downside or negative side of ouija

2921
01:54:41,830 --> 01:54:39,440
boards

2922
01:54:44,070 --> 01:54:41,840
do you think that this might um

2923
01:54:46,310 --> 01:54:44,080
you know be really good for

2924
01:54:47,669 --> 01:54:46,320
whoever owns a patent on ouija boards i

2925
01:54:49,990 --> 01:54:47,679
mean they're even coming out with this

2926
01:54:52,149 --> 01:54:50,000
with this living room rug that's the uh

2927
01:54:54,790 --> 01:54:52,159
the board and a coffee table it's a

2928
01:54:58,390 --> 01:54:54,800
planchette i want to get one

2929
01:55:04,149 --> 01:55:01,589
it'd scare all my my dates away

2930
01:55:06,629 --> 01:55:04,159
well certainly if you meet a woman who

2931
01:55:09,750 --> 01:55:06,639
can tolerate that she's a special person

2932
01:55:11,510 --> 01:55:09,760
yes she's a keeper yeah you got it it's

2933
01:55:13,109 --> 01:55:11,520
like a friend of mine once told me to

2934
01:55:17,109 --> 01:55:13,119
move all the serial killer books out of

2935
01:55:19,270 --> 01:55:17,119
my living room because it spooks people

2936
01:55:21,189 --> 01:55:19,280
are you a fan of criminal minds the tv

2937
01:55:23,589 --> 01:55:21,199
series uh no actually uh believe it or

2938
01:55:25,830 --> 01:55:23,599
not i haven't watched tv since 2001.

2939
01:55:27,270 --> 01:55:25,840
yeah you and me both 2000 for me i

2940
01:55:30,070 --> 01:55:27,280
finally just oh

2941
01:55:32,709 --> 01:55:30,080
yeah it was uh you see i never had

2942
01:55:35,270 --> 01:55:32,719
cables so when the world trade center

2943
01:55:37,669 --> 01:55:35,280
went down i lost tv reception and i

2944
01:55:39,270 --> 01:55:37,679
found i didn't miss it and most of it so

2945
01:55:40,870 --> 01:55:39,280
i still watch television shows but i

2946
01:55:44,149 --> 01:55:40,880
watch everything online

2947
01:55:47,030 --> 01:55:44,159
but as for the as for the ouija board

2948
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:47,040
i don't know where the stories come from

2949
01:55:51,510 --> 01:55:48,239
i think that

2950
01:55:54,790 --> 01:55:51,520
the majority of what we think of as

2951
01:55:57,990 --> 01:55:54,800
spirit communication comes from parts of

2952
01:56:00,310 --> 01:55:58,000
our own mind that we are not

2953
01:56:03,270 --> 01:56:00,320
consciously aware of you know in the

2954
01:56:05,990 --> 01:56:03,280
early days of psychiatry psychologists

2955
01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:06,000
and psychiatrists would encourage their

2956
01:56:10,790 --> 01:56:08,400
patients to learn to do automatic

2957
01:56:13,589 --> 01:56:10,800
writing as a way to access the

2958
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:13,599
subconscious mind the ouija board is a

2959
01:56:18,790 --> 01:56:16,880
form of automatic writing i suspect that

2960
01:56:20,070 --> 01:56:18,800
what was happening with the three of

2961
01:56:21,109 --> 01:56:20,080
them was

2962
01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:21,119
that

2963
01:56:24,950 --> 01:56:22,480
first of all you have to know something

2964
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:24,960
about the three of them one of them had

2965
01:56:30,629 --> 01:56:28,080
a series of paranormal experiences in

2966
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:30,639
her life that frightened her one of them

2967
01:56:38,470 --> 01:56:34,400
was fascinated by parapsychology and the

2968
01:56:39,910 --> 01:56:38,480
paranormal and he was also fascinated by

2969
01:56:43,030 --> 01:56:39,920
fear and

2970
01:56:45,910 --> 01:56:43,040
terror in fact uh eli

2971
01:56:47,830 --> 01:56:45,920
has written plays uh that with with

2972
01:56:50,950 --> 01:56:47,840
terrifying themes

2973
01:56:52,310 --> 01:56:50,960
and he actually studied what he called

2974
01:56:55,109 --> 01:56:52,320
what he considers

2975
01:56:57,669 --> 01:56:55,119
the the scientific aspect of what is

2976
01:57:00,070 --> 01:56:57,679
frightening jonathan was also a writer

2977
01:57:02,149 --> 01:57:00,080
and an artist so you put that kind of

2978
01:57:04,950 --> 01:57:02,159
mixture of people together and i think

2979
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:04,960
you've got the potential for producing a

2980
01:57:11,990 --> 01:57:08,400
story like the bye bye man now you if

2981
01:57:13,030 --> 01:57:12,000
you believe that there are entities

2982
01:57:16,390 --> 01:57:13,040
um

2983
01:57:19,669 --> 01:57:16,400
disincarnate intelligences at work

2984
01:57:21,990 --> 01:57:19,679
they could contribute to this too

2985
01:57:25,270 --> 01:57:22,000
but i think if you look at the mixture

2986
01:57:27,830 --> 01:57:25,280
of people you can see where

2987
01:57:31,030 --> 01:57:27,840
a story like the bye-bye man could come

2988
01:57:32,229 --> 01:57:31,040
from even that part about

2989
01:57:35,830 --> 01:57:32,239
how

2990
01:57:38,070 --> 01:57:35,840
if you think of his name you become

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and we're talking ouija boards and where

3126
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the source of information presented by a

3127
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ouija board might be with robert damon

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schneck author bye bye man all right

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robert

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let's kind of move quickly with the

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ouija board here

3132
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any belief that the information one is

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getting even if it's from your

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subconscious

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is accurate well sometimes it is they

3136
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that's what people claim i never fool

3137
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with ouija boards myself i i'm a great

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believer and don't give a fire a place

3139
02:03:29,109 --> 02:03:27,599
to start

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i don't have the kind of personality

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that can relax enough to

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get that planchette to move

3143
02:03:40,709 --> 02:03:36,800
so it's not something i mess with but

3144
02:03:43,830 --> 02:03:40,719
i do find the idea of accessing parts of

3145
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your mind particularly parts of the mind

3146
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that can almost seem hostile to the

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conscious mind because that's one of the

3148
02:03:52,790 --> 02:03:50,159
interesting things about a lot of

3149
02:03:54,550 --> 02:03:52,800
people's experiences with ouija board

3150
02:03:57,350 --> 02:03:54,560
they'll start out with something that

3151
02:04:00,070 --> 02:03:57,360
seems friendly and it'll turn hostile

3152
02:04:01,669 --> 02:04:00,080
over time now let's say that that it's

3153
02:04:04,310 --> 02:04:01,679
true that it is a part of your mind

3154
02:04:07,350 --> 02:04:04,320
that's doing it you have to wonder why

3155
02:04:09,189 --> 02:04:07,360
is part of your mind angry or

3156
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disgusting or

3157
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hostile towards

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towards the conscious part of your mind

3159
02:04:17,990 --> 02:04:15,920
and then you remember that there are

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parts of your mind that terrify you

3161
02:04:22,470 --> 02:04:21,440
nightly in nightmares so i think the the

3162
02:04:24,390 --> 02:04:22,480
real

3163
02:04:28,310 --> 02:04:24,400
interesting part of about the ouija

3164
02:04:30,629 --> 02:04:28,320
board is the possibilities it raises on

3165
02:04:32,310 --> 02:04:30,639
the human mind and these these things

3166
02:04:34,629 --> 02:04:32,320
are worth exploring

3167
02:04:36,550 --> 02:04:34,639
i think it's also a good idea for people

3168
02:04:39,430 --> 02:04:36,560
that want to experiment with ouija

3169
02:04:40,390 --> 02:04:39,440
boards to keep in mind the probable

3170
02:04:42,709 --> 02:04:40,400
source

3171
02:04:44,709 --> 02:04:42,719
of the information which which is your

3172
02:04:47,109 --> 02:04:44,719
own mind it's a lot less frightening

3173
02:04:50,870 --> 02:04:47,119
that way if you go in believing that you

3174
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are talking to the dead or angels or

3175
02:04:54,870 --> 02:04:53,199
demons i think it can be a much more

3176
02:04:57,030 --> 02:04:54,880
frightening experience

3177
02:04:59,990 --> 02:04:57,040
of course we always have these classic

3178
02:05:02,149 --> 02:05:00,000
horror film concepts in which someone

3179
02:05:04,550 --> 02:05:02,159
uses the ouija board

3180
02:05:07,350 --> 02:05:04,560
they have fun with it the messages get

3181
02:05:09,030 --> 02:05:07,360
to be a little bit more serious

3182
02:05:12,229 --> 02:05:09,040
a little more threatening and they

3183
02:05:14,790 --> 02:05:12,239
unleash forces beyond their control so

3184
02:05:16,950 --> 02:05:14,800
common yes that is common and i have

3185
02:05:19,270 --> 02:05:16,960
heard firsthand accounts of people who

3186
02:05:20,790 --> 02:05:19,280
have had experiences like that uh

3187
02:05:21,669 --> 02:05:20,800
including

3188
02:05:25,270 --> 02:05:21,679
one

3189
02:05:27,430 --> 02:05:25,280
girl who got so terrified by it that she

3190
02:05:28,950 --> 02:05:27,440
believed that the the devil was in her

3191
02:05:31,430 --> 02:05:28,960
bedroom i mean

3192
02:05:33,589 --> 02:05:31,440
there are people who have had horrific

3193
02:05:36,870 --> 02:05:33,599
experiences with ouija boards and

3194
02:05:38,790 --> 02:05:36,880
the the classic ouija board story is

3195
02:05:40,870 --> 02:05:38,800
several girls are having a slumber party

3196
02:05:43,350 --> 02:05:40,880
someone breaks out the ouija board

3197
02:05:46,310 --> 02:05:43,360
and they're having fun with it until

3198
02:05:48,629 --> 02:05:46,320
someone asks a question about death or

3199
02:05:50,550 --> 02:05:48,639
the devil or demons and something

3200
02:05:51,510 --> 02:05:50,560
frightening happens

3201
02:05:53,510 --> 02:05:51,520
now

3202
02:05:55,189 --> 02:05:53,520
i have heard a lot of first-hand

3203
02:05:57,589 --> 02:05:55,199
accounts of that happening including

3204
02:05:59,270 --> 02:05:57,599
cases where they claim the planchette

3205
02:06:01,350 --> 02:05:59,280
flew through the air

3206
02:06:04,229 --> 02:06:01,360
they'll hear like a tremendous noise

3207
02:06:05,589 --> 02:06:04,239
when when they ask is anyone there that

3208
02:06:07,910 --> 02:06:05,599
sort of thing

3209
02:06:09,589 --> 02:06:07,920
which raises another possibility and

3210
02:06:11,189 --> 02:06:09,599
that is

3211
02:06:15,030 --> 02:06:11,199
a phenomenon

3212
02:06:17,189 --> 02:06:15,040
that was discussed that was explored

3213
02:06:20,070 --> 02:06:17,199
by the toronto society for psychical

3214
02:06:21,589 --> 02:06:20,080
research in the early 1970s when they

3215
02:06:22,870 --> 02:06:21,599
carried out something called the philip

3216
02:06:31,830 --> 02:06:22,880
experiment

3217
02:06:33,910 --> 02:06:31,840
that has a genuinely popular appeal

3218
02:06:34,950 --> 02:06:33,920
people who are not specialists know

3219
02:06:37,910 --> 02:06:34,960
about it

3220
02:06:40,149 --> 02:06:37,920
and are interested in it in a nutshell

3221
02:06:42,149 --> 02:06:40,159
what happened was that the toronto

3222
02:06:46,149 --> 02:06:42,159
society for psychical research set out

3223
02:06:49,589 --> 02:06:46,159
to discover if they could make seance

3224
02:06:51,350 --> 02:06:49,599
phenomena classic seance phenomena occur

3225
02:06:52,310 --> 02:06:51,360
in full light

3226
02:06:54,629 --> 02:06:52,320
and

3227
02:06:57,589 --> 02:06:54,639
one of the things they did was

3228
02:06:58,470 --> 02:06:57,599
they created a character that they named

3229
02:07:04,149 --> 02:06:58,480
philip

3230
02:07:05,189 --> 02:07:04,159
fiction he was a 15th or 16th century

3231
02:07:07,589 --> 02:07:05,199
nobleman

3232
02:07:10,149 --> 02:07:07,599
and they created a whole romantic legend

3233
02:07:13,510 --> 02:07:10,159
about him that was similar to many

3234
02:07:14,950 --> 02:07:13,520
classic ghost stories and

3235
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they

3236
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real castle in england

3237
02:07:24,149 --> 02:07:21,599
and they used some genuine characters

3238
02:07:26,390 --> 02:07:24,159
from history but philip was a fictional

3239
02:07:29,030 --> 02:07:26,400
character that way they didn't want if

3240
02:07:30,870 --> 02:07:29,040
if ghosts actually existed they didn't

3241
02:07:31,990 --> 02:07:30,880
want to accidentally tap into a real

3242
02:07:34,149 --> 02:07:32,000
ghost

3243
02:07:36,950 --> 02:07:34,159
and nothing happened for a long time

3244
02:07:39,350 --> 02:07:36,960
until they started looking at the

3245
02:07:41,830 --> 02:07:39,360
psychical research that was done by a

3246
02:07:42,790 --> 02:07:41,840
british parapsychologist named bachelor

3247
02:07:45,030 --> 02:07:42,800
and

3248
02:07:47,750 --> 02:07:45,040
he discovered that it was possible to

3249
02:07:51,030 --> 02:07:47,760
get sean's phenomena by creating an

3250
02:07:53,669 --> 02:07:51,040
atmosphere that was more relaxed so they

3251
02:07:56,229 --> 02:07:53,679
had been intensely concentrating and

3252
02:07:58,790 --> 02:07:56,239
that didn't work but when they created a

3253
02:08:01,990 --> 02:07:58,800
fun atmosphere where they sang silly

3254
02:08:04,069 --> 02:08:02,000
songs and ate candy and talked to philip

3255
02:08:06,709 --> 02:08:04,079
as though he was someone there they

3256
02:08:08,709 --> 02:08:06,719
began to get results they would ask

3257
02:08:12,550 --> 02:08:08,719
philip questions and he would wrap out

3258
02:08:14,870 --> 02:08:12,560
answers they began to get table movement

3259
02:08:17,430 --> 02:08:14,880
uh finally they there was some metal

3260
02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:17,440
bending because this was the early 70s

3261
02:08:22,149 --> 02:08:19,840
when yuri geller was popular and spoon

3262
02:08:25,430 --> 02:08:22,159
bending was popular and things like that

3263
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we can't live without some spoon venting

3264
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no it's classic

3265
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this went on for quite a while and the

3266
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results were good i mean

3267
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at no point however did they ever

3268
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believe that they had contacted spirit

3269
02:08:39,669 --> 02:08:38,320
they always believed that what was going

3270
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on was

3271
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something they called group pk that is

3272
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group psychokinesis that when this

3273
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particular group

3274
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created this particular atmosphere they

3275
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were able to

3276
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get the kinds of results that they did

3277
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that is to say

3278
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that paranormal raps would occur and

3279
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answered questions the table would move

3280
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through group pk

3281
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they never thought it was anything else

3282
02:09:12,629 --> 02:09:09,840
now

3283
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it is possible that the strange

3284
02:09:15,350 --> 02:09:14,320
experiences

3285
02:09:16,470 --> 02:09:15,360
that

3286
02:09:19,030 --> 02:09:16,480
catherine

3287
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and jonathan had were an example of

3288
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group pk but where the philip group made

3289
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a point of controlling the phenomenon it

3290
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would only

3291
02:09:32,229 --> 02:09:30,000
occur when a certain number of them were

3292
02:09:35,109 --> 02:09:32,239
together when they were in a certain

3293
02:09:37,109 --> 02:09:35,119
place so they built these boundaries

3294
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around the phenomenon the group in

3295
02:09:41,990 --> 02:09:40,000
wisconsin never did that it was just

3296
02:09:45,189 --> 02:09:42,000
something they were experimenting with

3297
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so possibly that same group pk that

3298
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produced philip also produced the bye

3299
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bye man that's a possibility you know if

3300
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you are a mystic or you have occult

3301
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leanings you can believe in something

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called thought forms or as they're

3303
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popularly referred to as tulpas

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that is to say through intense

3305
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concentration you can create a thought

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being that eventually takes on a degree

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of independence and becomes

3308
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real at least on the astral plane or the

3309
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the plane of thought and can actually

3310
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manifest in the material plane again if

3311
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you have mystical inclinations you can

3312
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explain the bye-bye man that way in

3313
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which case it might have actually

3314
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3423
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3424
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looking at it right now

3425
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robert damon schneck author bye-bye man

3426
02:15:25,669 --> 02:15:22,560
becoming a major motion picture

3427
02:15:27,430 --> 02:15:25,679
this december how much of this ouija

3428
02:15:31,350 --> 02:15:27,440
board stuff do you believe

3429
02:15:32,550 --> 02:15:31,360
well i i think that the bye-bye man was

3430
02:15:34,790 --> 02:15:32,560
created

3431
02:15:36,790 --> 02:15:34,800
by the three of them without them

3432
02:15:39,750 --> 02:15:36,800
consciously being aware of it

3433
02:15:42,149 --> 02:15:39,760
i am open to the possibility

3434
02:15:45,270 --> 02:15:42,159
that something like the

3435
02:15:48,149 --> 02:15:45,280
philip phenomenon occurred

3436
02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:48,159
with katherine and

3437
02:15:52,950 --> 02:15:50,400
jonathan having said that

3438
02:15:57,030 --> 02:15:52,960
i am perfectly willing to believe

3439
02:15:59,669 --> 02:15:57,040
that it was a combination of panic

3440
02:16:01,830 --> 02:15:59,679
and a subjective

3441
02:16:04,870 --> 02:16:01,840
some subjective experience that

3442
02:16:06,709 --> 02:16:04,880
terrified catherine and i am also

3443
02:16:08,950 --> 02:16:06,719
perfectly willing to believe

3444
02:16:10,470 --> 02:16:08,960
that jonathan had

3445
02:16:12,709 --> 02:16:10,480
a very

3446
02:16:14,870 --> 02:16:12,719
convincing dream

3447
02:16:16,709 --> 02:16:14,880
and that that's what terrified him i am

3448
02:16:18,390 --> 02:16:16,719
willing to believe that however i am

3449
02:16:20,550 --> 02:16:18,400
also open to the possibility

3450
02:16:23,030 --> 02:16:20,560
that it was something

3451
02:16:24,950 --> 02:16:23,040
like the philip phenomenon that occurred

3452
02:16:27,750 --> 02:16:24,960
that something

3453
02:16:30,310 --> 02:16:27,760
objective might have happened

3454
02:16:32,150 --> 02:16:30,320
one of the things that charles ford said

3455
02:16:34,389 --> 02:16:32,160
was everything is partially well he

3456
02:16:36,629 --> 02:16:34,399
didn't say this but robert anton wilson

3457
02:16:38,469 --> 02:16:36,639
paraphrased charles schwartz he summed

3458
02:16:41,270 --> 02:16:38,479
up charles ford's philosophy this way

3459
02:16:43,349 --> 02:16:41,280
that everything is partially real

3460
02:16:45,589 --> 02:16:43,359
partially true partially false and

3461
02:16:48,309 --> 02:16:45,599
always changing and if anything is

3462
02:16:49,830 --> 02:16:48,319
genuinely real or true it won't stay

3463
02:16:52,469 --> 02:16:49,840
that way for long

3464
02:16:55,830 --> 02:16:52,479
so i am open to the possibility to all

3465
02:16:57,030 --> 02:16:55,840
of these possibilities however i am also

3466
02:16:59,990 --> 02:16:57,040
content

3467
02:17:02,629 --> 02:17:00,000
to say that it was a combination of

3468
02:17:04,790 --> 02:17:02,639
unconscious minds or subconscious minds

3469
02:17:07,349 --> 02:17:04,800
working together and

3470
02:17:09,429 --> 02:17:07,359
creating this fascinating and terrifying

3471
02:17:11,589 --> 02:17:09,439
story now there are a number of other

3472
02:17:13,990 --> 02:17:11,599
stories in the book this is just one of

3473
02:17:16,230 --> 02:17:14,000
them it's towards the end of the book of

3474
02:17:18,230 --> 02:17:16,240
the other stories you have in there what

3475
02:17:20,150 --> 02:17:18,240
do you think is the most impressive

3476
02:17:22,389 --> 02:17:20,160
other than the bye bye man

3477
02:17:24,549 --> 02:17:22,399
well i i mean i love the the story of

3478
02:17:25,750 --> 02:17:24,559
the president's vampire because it was

3479
02:17:28,070 --> 02:17:25,760
just such a

3480
02:17:31,110 --> 02:17:28,080
you have to understand that i am

3481
02:17:35,030 --> 02:17:31,120
essentially a researcher i love to do

3482
02:17:37,110 --> 02:17:35,040
research it just it thrills me to find

3483
02:17:38,230 --> 02:17:37,120
something like that ship's log that i

3484
02:17:39,030 --> 02:17:38,240
found

3485
02:17:41,830 --> 02:17:39,040
so

3486
02:17:44,469 --> 02:17:41,840
for me it's question of what had the

3487
02:17:47,110 --> 02:17:44,479
what had the most exciting research

3488
02:17:48,709 --> 02:17:47,120
the i am sometimes surprised at the

3489
02:17:49,750 --> 02:17:48,719
stories that other people like for

3490
02:17:51,110 --> 02:17:49,760
example

3491
02:17:54,309 --> 02:17:51,120
the um

3492
02:17:56,790 --> 02:17:54,319
the mass disappearance of the of a group

3493
02:17:59,750 --> 02:17:56,800
of young men in newark new jersey one

3494
02:18:02,070 --> 02:17:59,760
night in 1978 they had spent the day

3495
02:18:03,030 --> 02:18:02,080
working together and were dropped off

3496
02:18:12,790 --> 02:18:03,040
and

3497
02:18:15,589 --> 02:18:12,800
clue as to what happened to them since

3498
02:18:17,429 --> 02:18:15,599
i could never get over that story and

3499
02:18:19,110 --> 02:18:17,439
well there are several other stories in

3500
02:18:21,830 --> 02:18:19,120
the book including

3501
02:18:24,150 --> 02:18:21,840
a story that happened in 1692 while the

3502
02:18:25,270 --> 02:18:24,160
salem witch trial was going on and

3503
02:18:26,870 --> 02:18:25,280
gloucester

3504
02:18:29,349 --> 02:18:26,880
which was only a few miles away from

3505
02:18:32,469 --> 02:18:29,359
salem they were being attacked by what

3506
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:32,479
they called a phantom militia of these

3507
02:18:37,990 --> 02:18:35,280
men that were dressed as frenchmen and

3508
02:18:39,990 --> 02:18:38,000
indians and terrified the locals and

3509
02:18:42,150 --> 02:18:40,000
would they would fire at each other but

3510
02:18:43,669 --> 02:18:42,160
no one would ever get hurt it was very

3511
02:18:45,589 --> 02:18:43,679
it's a very interesting story that

3512
02:18:47,830 --> 02:18:45,599
cotton mather told in in his book

3513
02:18:50,709 --> 02:18:47,840
magnalia christie americana

3514
02:18:53,110 --> 02:18:50,719
but again there are

3515
02:18:55,429 --> 02:18:53,120
there are stories in this book and

3516
02:18:58,230 --> 02:18:55,439
in the uh mrs wakeman versus the

3517
02:19:00,549 --> 02:18:58,240
antichrist that again always surprised

3518
02:19:02,309 --> 02:19:00,559
me the story that really was the

3519
02:19:05,030 --> 02:19:02,319
breakout story in mrs wakeman versus the

3520
02:19:06,870 --> 02:19:05,040
antichrist was this story of the people

3521
02:19:07,910 --> 02:19:06,880
that commit suicide by cutting their own

3522
02:19:09,190 --> 02:19:07,920
heads off

3523
02:19:11,110 --> 02:19:09,200
it turned out people were really

3524
02:19:12,790 --> 02:19:11,120
fascinated by that there's got to be an

3525
02:19:14,389 --> 02:19:12,800
easier way to go

3526
02:19:16,549 --> 02:19:14,399
uh well you know it's funny you should

3527
02:19:18,469 --> 02:19:16,559
say that because how do you do that

3528
02:19:20,790 --> 02:19:18,479
there are a couple of ways well the one

3529
02:19:22,950 --> 02:19:20,800
that surprised me the most was that

3530
02:19:26,150 --> 02:19:22,960
people could actually

3531
02:19:28,469 --> 02:19:26,160
take a razor and cut their own head off

3532
02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:28,479
that's happened at least once or twice

3533
02:19:33,190 --> 02:19:30,319
that yeah

3534
02:19:36,309 --> 02:19:33,200
i have to assume that they had a thin

3535
02:19:37,910 --> 02:19:36,319
neck or a very long razor and they just

3536
02:19:38,709 --> 02:19:37,920
lucked out and managed to get between

3537
02:19:43,509 --> 02:19:38,719
those

3538
02:19:45,990 --> 02:19:43,519
to cut their own heads off but most of

3539
02:19:46,830 --> 02:19:46,000
the time people that commit suicide

3540
02:19:49,270 --> 02:19:46,840
by

3541
02:19:50,550 --> 02:19:49,280
decapitation have an interest in

3542
02:19:52,790 --> 02:19:50,560
inventions

3543
02:19:55,349 --> 02:19:52,800
or their engineers

3544
02:19:57,750 --> 02:19:55,359
guillotine that's exactly right

3545
02:19:59,349 --> 02:19:57,760
that is exactly it

3546
02:20:01,429 --> 02:19:59,359
they will build i bet you there's not

3547
02:20:04,150 --> 02:20:01,439
one woman that's ever attempted that in

3548
02:20:05,750 --> 02:20:04,160
all of history uh yes as a matter of

3549
02:20:07,429 --> 02:20:05,760
fact there are

3550
02:20:08,389 --> 02:20:07,439
and i'm just interested that he knows

3551
02:20:11,990 --> 02:20:08,399
this

3552
02:20:14,870 --> 02:20:12,000
you know you've got to do your research

3553
02:20:17,429 --> 02:20:14,880
women aren't into self-inflicted violent

3554
02:20:19,750 --> 02:20:17,439
ways out generally speaking generally

3555
02:20:22,550 --> 02:20:19,760
speaking women do not commit suicide in

3556
02:20:24,870 --> 02:20:22,560
ways that disfigure them right most

3557
02:20:27,750 --> 02:20:24,880
women who commit suicide will do it in a

3558
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:27,760
way that leaves them looking presentable

3559
02:20:31,990 --> 02:20:30,000
men less so men are the ones who will

3560
02:20:34,950 --> 02:20:32,000
put a shotgun to their face

3561
02:20:36,389 --> 02:20:34,960
and commit suicide that way i have at

3562
02:20:39,670 --> 02:20:36,399
least one

3563
02:20:41,910 --> 02:20:39,680
or two records i know of one woman that

3564
02:20:45,510 --> 02:20:41,920
committed suicide by chopping her own

3565
02:20:48,150 --> 02:20:45,520
head off with a chainsaw i know

3566
02:20:50,710 --> 02:20:48,160
yeah i have a record of a woman who

3567
02:20:53,750 --> 02:20:50,720
committed suicide her husband owned a

3568
02:20:56,550 --> 02:20:53,760
butcher shop and she put her head into

3569
02:20:58,469 --> 02:20:56,560
an automatic meat slicer and cut her own

3570
02:21:00,309 --> 02:20:58,479
head off that way excuse me ladies and

3571
02:21:01,910 --> 02:21:00,319
gentlemen if you're about to eat lunch

3572
02:21:04,389 --> 02:21:01,920
or dinner

3573
02:21:06,150 --> 02:21:04,399
please stop for a few well the show's on

3574
02:21:07,910 --> 02:21:06,160
it uh you know the

3575
02:21:09,670 --> 02:21:07,920
oh dark 30. so i don't think we have to

3576
02:21:11,990 --> 02:21:09,680
worry about that but if you're going

3577
02:21:13,349 --> 02:21:12,000
back to bed after listening to this show

3578
02:21:14,150 --> 02:21:13,359
uh good luck

3579
02:21:17,270 --> 02:21:14,160
well

3580
02:21:19,190 --> 02:21:17,280
most of the most of the men that that

3581
02:21:20,110 --> 02:21:19,200
commit suicide

3582
02:21:23,190 --> 02:21:20,120
by

3583
02:21:25,110 --> 02:21:23,200
decapitation again have an interest in

3584
02:21:29,510 --> 02:21:25,120
in engineering or building and they will

3585
02:21:31,670 --> 02:21:29,520
build sometimes very elaborate machines

3586
02:21:34,150 --> 02:21:31,680
for cutting their own heads off

3587
02:21:36,469 --> 02:21:34,160
uh they it's funny my father is an

3588
02:21:39,349 --> 02:21:36,479
engineer and i spoke to him about this

3589
02:21:42,389 --> 02:21:39,359
and he said that right away his mind

3590
02:21:44,070 --> 02:21:42,399
went to two ways of doing it first using

3591
02:21:46,550 --> 02:21:44,080
a hinged axe

3592
02:21:47,910 --> 02:21:46,560
but if you're really an engineer you're

3593
02:21:49,510 --> 02:21:47,920
going to want to build a guillotine

3594
02:21:51,590 --> 02:21:49,520
because that's something you can take

3595
02:21:53,990 --> 02:21:51,600
some pride in because a guillotine is

3596
02:21:56,469 --> 02:21:54,000
harder to build and works a lot more

3597
02:21:58,710 --> 02:21:56,479
efficiently and i had to say he was

3598
02:22:01,110 --> 02:21:58,720
right that that would that was what uh

3599
02:22:04,070 --> 02:22:01,120
the research turned up that a lot of the

3600
02:22:07,190 --> 02:22:04,080
men who committed suicide by guillotine

3601
02:22:09,349 --> 02:22:07,200
were engineers the most

3602
02:22:12,070 --> 02:22:09,359
uh the most

3603
02:22:13,270 --> 02:22:12,080
exciting if you want to use that word

3604
02:22:16,710 --> 02:22:13,280
example

3605
02:22:19,190 --> 02:22:16,720
of somebody that used a hinged axe was a

3606
02:22:22,950 --> 02:22:19,200
man called james moon

3607
02:22:26,389 --> 02:22:22,960
who checked into a hotel in lafayette

3608
02:22:28,309 --> 02:22:26,399
indiana in the 19th century i was about

3609
02:22:31,510 --> 02:22:28,319
the 18th

3610
02:22:33,110 --> 02:22:31,520
yeah i was about 60s or so and what he

3611
02:22:35,750 --> 02:22:33,120
checked into the hotel with this big

3612
02:22:36,790 --> 02:22:35,760
heavy trunk he spent the day running

3613
02:22:39,590 --> 02:22:36,800
errands

3614
02:22:41,990 --> 02:22:39,600
and they found him the next day with his

3615
02:22:43,190 --> 02:22:42,000
head chopped off in the room what he had

3616
02:22:47,349 --> 02:22:43,200
done was

3617
02:22:49,830 --> 02:22:47,359
he had built this enormous hinged axe

3618
02:22:52,469 --> 02:22:49,840
that was attached to the floor at one

3619
02:22:56,550 --> 02:22:52,479
end by a hinge and was

3620
02:22:58,389 --> 02:22:56,560
lifted up at about a 45 degree angle

3621
02:23:02,790 --> 02:22:58,399
with a string

3622
02:23:05,910 --> 02:23:02,800
there was a candle next to the string

3623
02:23:08,550 --> 02:23:05,920
and what he did was he

3624
02:23:10,150 --> 02:23:08,560
put a box on the floor

3625
02:23:11,429 --> 02:23:10,160
and he put

3626
02:23:13,910 --> 02:23:11,439
some

3627
02:23:16,830 --> 02:23:13,920
cotton wadding in the box and soaked it

3628
02:23:19,830 --> 02:23:16,840
with chloroform well he then lit the

3629
02:23:23,590 --> 02:23:19,840
candle lay down on the floor

3630
02:23:26,870 --> 02:23:23,600
and was stupefied by the chloroform

3631
02:23:28,790 --> 02:23:26,880
while the candle was burning he strapped

3632
02:23:30,870 --> 02:23:28,800
himself to the floor so the chloroform

3633
02:23:33,349 --> 02:23:30,880
wouldn't make him restless and he

3634
02:23:36,309 --> 02:23:33,359
apparently was drifting away

3635
02:23:39,110 --> 02:23:36,319
when the candle got low enough to burn

3636
02:23:40,630 --> 02:23:39,120
through the thread and drop the weighted

3637
02:23:43,910 --> 02:23:40,640
broad ax

3638
02:23:45,270 --> 02:23:43,920
onto his neck and very neatly severed

3639
02:23:47,190 --> 02:23:45,280
his neck

3640
02:23:49,349 --> 02:23:47,200
you know what i'm thinking here

3641
02:23:50,870 --> 02:23:49,359
this would make a great episode of major

3642
02:23:54,230 --> 02:23:50,880
crimes

3643
02:23:57,830 --> 02:23:54,240
tv procedural well he uh

3644
02:23:59,670 --> 02:23:57,840
the uh it was it got a lot of attention

3645
02:24:00,950 --> 02:23:59,680
which was what he wanted it to do as a

3646
02:24:05,190 --> 02:24:00,960
matter of fact

3647
02:24:07,750 --> 02:24:05,200
his widow had his widow he left a wife

3648
02:24:12,630 --> 02:24:07,760
and children when he did this

3649
02:24:13,429 --> 02:24:12,640
and she finally had to sell the machine

3650
02:24:16,230 --> 02:24:13,439
which

3651
02:24:18,870 --> 02:24:16,240
was he called it moon the man who used

3652
02:24:21,670 --> 02:24:18,880
it he called it the carry carry probably

3653
02:24:25,110 --> 02:24:21,680
because he heard the name harry kerry

3654
02:24:26,710 --> 02:24:25,120
harry kiri from uh from the newspaper

3655
02:24:29,270 --> 02:24:26,720
let's get the rest of the story in our

3656
02:24:30,230 --> 02:24:29,280
final segment okay with robert damon

3657
02:24:32,150 --> 02:24:30,240
schneck

3658
02:24:39,240 --> 02:24:32,160
gene and chris you're in

3659
02:24:43,830 --> 02:24:40,309
[Applause]

3660
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and nukes and you're listening to the

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paracast the gold standard of paranormal

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so

3766
02:29:15,429 --> 02:29:14,240
chris is now

3767
02:29:18,309 --> 02:29:15,439
wondering

3768
02:29:20,230 --> 02:29:18,319
about weird techniques to off yourself

3769
02:29:22,870 --> 02:29:20,240
oh and one you're telling robert damon

3770
02:29:24,550 --> 02:29:22,880
schneck it's got to be a classic that's

3771
02:29:26,710 --> 02:29:24,560
why i said maybe an episode of major

3772
02:29:28,790 --> 02:29:26,720
crimes except at the end they find out

3773
02:29:30,790 --> 02:29:28,800
that it was really a case of murder

3774
02:29:32,550 --> 02:29:30,800
somebody had put that person in that

3775
02:29:34,230 --> 02:29:32,560
position so they die

3776
02:29:35,990 --> 02:29:34,240
this wouldn't have been easy to do

3777
02:29:38,389 --> 02:29:36,000
because of course he would have been

3778
02:29:39,510 --> 02:29:38,399
locked in from the inside

3779
02:29:41,429 --> 02:29:39,520
it would have been difficult for someone

3780
02:29:44,389 --> 02:29:41,439
to murder him and then get out

3781
02:29:46,150 --> 02:29:44,399
and and lock the doors but anyway that's

3782
02:29:47,270 --> 02:29:46,160
what happened to him and in order for

3783
02:29:49,270 --> 02:29:47,280
his wife

3784
02:29:52,630 --> 02:29:49,280
to pay for the funeral

3785
02:29:54,550 --> 02:29:52,640
she sold the guillotine which

3786
02:29:56,469 --> 02:29:54,560
he actually left a message written on it

3787
02:29:57,910 --> 02:29:56,479
for sale or rent

3788
02:29:59,990 --> 02:29:57,920
and

3789
02:30:02,230 --> 02:30:00,000
they displayed it

3790
02:30:05,429 --> 02:30:02,240
around the midwest for a couple of years

3791
02:30:07,349 --> 02:30:05,439
but eventually the the carry carry or

3792
02:30:11,110 --> 02:30:07,359
the monster as some other people called

3793
02:30:13,349 --> 02:30:11,120
it vanished and the funeral director who

3794
02:30:15,349 --> 02:30:13,359
did moon's arrangements had it in his

3795
02:30:17,990 --> 02:30:15,359
attic a few years later it might still

3796
02:30:21,270 --> 02:30:18,000
be somewhere uh there was a woman who's

3797
02:30:23,110 --> 02:30:21,280
writing a novel about the the uh suicide

3798
02:30:25,590 --> 02:30:23,120
she's been looking for its final resting

3799
02:30:27,910 --> 02:30:25,600
place for years i suspect that what

3800
02:30:29,670 --> 02:30:27,920
happened was during one of the scrap

3801
02:30:31,990 --> 02:30:29,680
metal drives for the first or second

3802
02:30:34,469 --> 02:30:32,000
world war that somebody decided you know

3803
02:30:37,030 --> 02:30:34,479
here's they had this big broad axe with

3804
02:30:38,469 --> 02:30:37,040
iron soldered to it or anyway they were

3805
02:30:40,150 --> 02:30:38,479
all it was all put together i suspect

3806
02:30:41,670 --> 02:30:40,160
that it finally disappeared in one of

3807
02:30:43,990 --> 02:30:41,680
those metal drives

3808
02:30:45,030 --> 02:30:44,000
only silence follows that

3809
02:30:47,030 --> 02:30:45,040
yes

3810
02:30:49,670 --> 02:30:47,040
but if you are interested in unusual

3811
02:30:51,429 --> 02:30:49,680
ways of committing suicide i have that

3812
02:30:53,590 --> 02:30:51,439
particular area of interest for me in

3813
02:30:55,670 --> 02:30:53,600
fact i've been collecting them i have

3814
02:30:58,710 --> 02:30:55,680
these devices i mean you could almost

3815
02:31:00,150 --> 02:30:58,720
expect to find one or two on craigslist

3816
02:31:02,309 --> 02:31:00,160
well you know one of the things that's

3817
02:31:05,270 --> 02:31:02,319
so interesting about this is

3818
02:31:08,150 --> 02:31:05,280
according to the newspapers at the time

3819
02:31:10,870 --> 02:31:08,160
they were selling models of this device

3820
02:31:12,870 --> 02:31:10,880
locally but i don't know of any that

3821
02:31:14,950 --> 02:31:12,880
still exist i don't even know if the

3822
02:31:16,870 --> 02:31:14,960
story is true you know the newspapers

3823
02:31:18,870 --> 02:31:16,880
would throw any little thing in

3824
02:31:20,630 --> 02:31:18,880
to make the story interesting but

3825
02:31:23,270 --> 02:31:20,640
supposedly there were models made of

3826
02:31:25,429 --> 02:31:23,280
this device and it was photographed and

3827
02:31:27,750 --> 02:31:25,439
the photograph was sold as a postcard

3828
02:31:29,830 --> 02:31:27,760
didn't i read somewhere that there's a a

3829
02:31:32,230 --> 02:31:29,840
movement to bring back the guillotine as

3830
02:31:34,389 --> 02:31:32,240
a method of capital punishment oh that

3831
02:31:36,870 --> 02:31:34,399
might be but this was voluntary

3832
02:31:38,790 --> 02:31:36,880
essentially moon was showing off he

3833
02:31:41,349 --> 02:31:38,800
wanted people to show to see how clever

3834
02:31:44,710 --> 02:31:41,359
he was in devising a way of committing

3835
02:31:47,349 --> 02:31:44,720
suicide he was probably inspired by a

3836
02:31:49,750 --> 02:31:47,359
frenchman who committed suicide earlier

3837
02:31:51,110 --> 02:31:49,760
that year by building a guillotine in

3838
02:31:52,790 --> 02:31:51,120
his room

3839
02:31:54,469 --> 02:31:52,800
but that happened in england and the

3840
02:31:56,469 --> 02:31:54,479
story but the story appeared around the

3841
02:31:59,270 --> 02:31:56,479
world i just should tell you that if you

3842
02:32:00,550 --> 02:31:59,280
look up that name on craigslist

3843
02:32:02,630 --> 02:32:00,560
there are

3844
02:32:04,630 --> 02:32:02,640
six listings now i don't think these

3845
02:32:06,870 --> 02:32:04,640
devices are necessarily

3846
02:32:09,720 --> 02:32:06,880
suited to suicide

3847
02:32:14,389 --> 02:32:09,730
one is to actually cut bagels

3848
02:32:16,790 --> 02:32:14,399
[Laughter]

3849
02:32:19,110 --> 02:32:16,800
oh gene you're a funny guy i don't care

3850
02:32:22,309 --> 02:32:19,120
what they say about you dude you are a

3851
02:32:26,870 --> 02:32:24,469
but but people who are interested in

3852
02:32:29,510 --> 02:32:26,880
oddities like that i have a page on

3853
02:32:31,110 --> 02:32:29,520
facebook called historian of the strange

3854
02:32:32,070 --> 02:32:31,120
where i

3855
02:32:38,070 --> 02:32:32,080
post

3856
02:32:40,870 --> 02:32:38,080
every day and it includes oddities about

3857
02:32:44,870 --> 02:32:40,880
suicide and homicide people that commit

3858
02:32:48,230 --> 02:32:44,880
suicide with everything from dynamite to

3859
02:32:50,830 --> 02:32:48,240
uh driving a nail into their own head

3860
02:32:53,510 --> 02:32:50,840
plus people that die in strange ways

3861
02:32:55,590 --> 02:32:53,520
including i have a lot of clippings of

3862
02:32:58,870 --> 02:32:55,600
children that killed by farm animals

3863
02:33:03,349 --> 02:33:01,110
i think there was an app you must be a

3864
02:33:05,750 --> 02:33:03,359
huge fan of the darwin awards

3865
02:33:08,070 --> 02:33:05,760
uh well you know it's funny i i i don't

3866
02:33:10,070 --> 02:33:08,080
really follow that but it wasn't unusual

3867
02:33:11,830 --> 02:33:10,080
you should it wasn't unusual for

3868
02:33:14,230 --> 02:33:11,840
children to be killed by farm animals

3869
02:33:15,510 --> 02:33:14,240
especially pigs because pigs get very

3870
02:33:16,950 --> 02:33:15,520
excited

3871
02:33:19,270 --> 02:33:16,960
you know i want to ask you a question

3872
02:33:21,590 --> 02:33:19,280
here sure why haven't you taken all this

3873
02:33:24,070 --> 02:33:21,600
and gone to national geographic or the

3874
02:33:25,510 --> 02:33:24,080
history channel and done some kind of

3875
02:33:28,469 --> 02:33:25,520
reality show

3876
02:33:30,309 --> 02:33:28,479
on how people off themselves i mean it's

3877
02:33:32,070 --> 02:33:30,319
very very bizarre

3878
02:33:32,950 --> 02:33:32,080
it will be difficult to get talent

3879
02:33:34,630 --> 02:33:32,960
because

3880
02:33:36,469 --> 02:33:34,640
you know you know of course it's just

3881
02:33:38,469 --> 02:33:36,479
reenactments with special effects and

3882
02:33:40,870 --> 02:33:38,479
groups that's not a reality show then

3883
02:33:42,870 --> 02:33:40,880
you just said the r word okay reality

3884
02:33:44,550 --> 02:33:42,880
show means you know it's real well it

3885
02:33:47,110 --> 02:33:44,560
could be based on a real story with

3886
02:33:49,110 --> 02:33:47,120
reenactments that's not a reality show

3887
02:33:51,750 --> 02:33:49,120
well you know most reality shows are

3888
02:33:53,510 --> 02:33:51,760
like that they pretend to be real people

3889
02:33:55,349 --> 02:33:53,520
doing real things to other real people

3890
02:33:56,950 --> 02:33:55,359
just like you know manly man aboard a

3891
02:33:58,950 --> 02:33:56,960
manly ship doing manly things to other

3892
02:34:01,990 --> 02:33:58,960
manly men it's real people doing real

3893
02:34:02,790 --> 02:34:02,000
things in real life situations

3894
02:34:04,550 --> 02:34:02,800
well

3895
02:34:07,110 --> 02:34:04,560
maybe someday the history channel will

3896
02:34:09,110 --> 02:34:07,120
call me i i certainly at this point

3897
02:34:09,990 --> 02:34:09,120
nothing would surprise me we'll vouch

3898
02:34:10,950 --> 02:34:10,000
for you

3899
02:34:12,870 --> 02:34:10,960
right

3900
02:34:14,950 --> 02:34:12,880
imagine all the the contraptions that

3901
02:34:17,030 --> 02:34:14,960
are being devised that go horribly wrong

3902
02:34:19,590 --> 02:34:17,040
and the person sits there in absolute

3903
02:34:21,830 --> 02:34:19,600
agony bleeding out for god knows how

3904
02:34:24,070 --> 02:34:21,840
long oh yeah there are actually i have

3905
02:34:26,309 --> 02:34:24,080
cases of that i bet you do

3906
02:34:28,230 --> 02:34:26,319
yeah some of these things they really

3907
02:34:30,710 --> 02:34:28,240
make you wonder for example

3908
02:34:32,070 --> 02:34:30,720
children killed by roosters

3909
02:34:34,150 --> 02:34:32,080
now

3910
02:34:36,630 --> 02:34:34,160
for some reason i have found

3911
02:34:39,830 --> 02:34:36,640
i have at least three or four clippings

3912
02:34:41,830 --> 02:34:39,840
of children killed by roosters and

3913
02:34:45,750 --> 02:34:41,840
all of the children killed by roosters

3914
02:34:48,150 --> 02:34:45,760
are two years old not one not three but

3915
02:34:51,110 --> 02:34:48,160
two and the only thing i can think of is

3916
02:34:53,830 --> 02:34:51,120
that when you're two years old you are

3917
02:34:56,070 --> 02:34:53,840
strong enough to annoy the rooster but

3918
02:34:57,830 --> 02:34:56,080
not strong enough to get away in time

3919
02:35:00,230 --> 02:34:57,840
hey those those spurs they got on their

3920
02:35:01,990 --> 02:35:00,240
back i've been attacked by a rooster and

3921
02:35:04,230 --> 02:35:02,000
they can put a hurting on you oh he

3922
02:35:05,830 --> 02:35:04,240
could slash you up pretty darn good all

3923
02:35:08,309 --> 02:35:05,840
of these children were killed by the

3924
02:35:09,349 --> 02:35:08,319
roosters spur penetrating their skull

3925
02:35:11,590 --> 02:35:09,359
right

3926
02:35:13,670 --> 02:35:11,600
they could be really and most roosters

3927
02:35:15,750 --> 02:35:13,680
kind of have bad attitudes

3928
02:35:18,070 --> 02:35:15,760
it doesn't take much to tick them off

3929
02:35:19,990 --> 02:35:18,080
yeah well apparently children tick them

3930
02:35:22,230 --> 02:35:20,000
off a lot and you know kids they might

3931
02:35:23,910 --> 02:35:22,240
throw a rock or something and they don't

3932
02:35:26,630 --> 02:35:23,920
realize what's going to happen but it's

3933
02:35:29,429 --> 02:35:26,640
the pig stories that are really gruesome

3934
02:35:31,349 --> 02:35:29,439
because pigs are just scary and if

3935
02:35:33,030 --> 02:35:31,359
anyone's ever seen them when they're

3936
02:35:34,150 --> 02:35:33,040
hungry and they start drooling and

3937
02:35:36,070 --> 02:35:34,160
screaming

3938
02:35:38,150 --> 02:35:36,080
it can it can be very intimidating it

3939
02:35:40,870 --> 02:35:38,160
doesn't matter well what's the the movie

3940
02:35:42,950 --> 02:35:40,880
snatch where the the gangster says

3941
02:35:45,030 --> 02:35:42,960
beware of anybody that has more than

3942
02:35:47,030 --> 02:35:45,040
three pigs

3943
02:35:48,070 --> 02:35:47,040
because they can consume a body in like

3944
02:35:50,070 --> 02:35:48,080
an hour

3945
02:35:52,309 --> 02:35:50,080
well that makes sense i there is one

3946
02:35:54,630 --> 02:35:52,319
story i have of these two children this

3947
02:35:57,030 --> 02:35:54,640
happened in kansas two children were

3948
02:35:59,190 --> 02:35:57,040
playing and the little girl just thought

3949
02:36:01,110 --> 02:35:59,200
it would be fun to bury the little boy

3950
02:36:03,590 --> 02:36:01,120
and so they're playing around and she

3951
02:36:04,710 --> 02:36:03,600
buries them up to his neck and some pigs

3952
02:36:07,190 --> 02:36:04,720
came along

3953
02:36:09,670 --> 02:36:07,200
scared away the little girl and devoured

3954
02:36:11,429 --> 02:36:09,680
the boy's face and killed him

3955
02:36:13,030 --> 02:36:11,439
uh i don't know if it's true but i had

3956
02:36:15,670 --> 02:36:13,040
the clipping yeah and that's that's

3957
02:36:17,030 --> 02:36:15,680
really spooky karma yeah that sounds

3958
02:36:18,870 --> 02:36:17,040
like the beginning of a horror movie

3959
02:36:20,950 --> 02:36:18,880
about some serious

3960
02:36:22,710 --> 02:36:20,960
deformed serial killer who's been

3961
02:36:26,309 --> 02:36:22,720
horribly disfigured pig face or

3962
02:36:31,510 --> 02:36:28,870
you have a very interesting but kind of

3963
02:36:32,870 --> 02:36:31,520
diabolical mind there dude i'll tell you

3964
02:36:35,590 --> 02:36:32,880
i have i don't know if i'm going to be

3965
02:36:38,469 --> 02:36:35,600
putting this in my next book but i also

3966
02:36:41,190 --> 02:36:38,479
have a collection of clippings of people

3967
02:36:42,710 --> 02:36:41,200
who were beheaded by low-flying planes

3968
02:36:43,990 --> 02:36:42,720
you know what i think i'm going to stop

3969
02:36:44,950 --> 02:36:44,000
it here because we're running out of

3970
02:36:46,790 --> 02:36:44,960
time

3971
02:36:49,190 --> 02:36:46,800
and also because i'm going to have lunch

3972
02:36:51,830 --> 02:36:49,200
soon i don't want to have to have a

3973
02:36:54,309 --> 02:36:51,840
problem but i did add this message which

3974
02:36:56,150 --> 02:36:54,319
i will to the show description do not

3975
02:36:57,080 --> 02:36:56,160
attempt to consume a meal during the

3976
02:37:00,550 --> 02:36:57,090
final segments

3977
02:37:02,870 --> 02:37:00,560
[Laughter]

3978
02:37:04,710 --> 02:37:02,880
robert damon schneck please tell our

3979
02:37:06,309 --> 02:37:04,720
listeners where they can find more of

3980
02:37:07,429 --> 02:37:06,319
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3981
02:37:09,590 --> 02:37:07,439
sure

3982
02:37:11,670 --> 02:37:09,600
i call it strange but true

3983
02:37:14,309 --> 02:37:11,680
you can uh come to my facebook page

3984
02:37:16,550 --> 02:37:14,319
every day i i always post things at

3985
02:37:20,070 --> 02:37:16,560
historian of the strange

3986
02:37:23,030 --> 02:37:20,080
the book the bye bye man is available at

3987
02:37:24,309 --> 02:37:23,040
amazon barnes noble uh where good books

3988
02:37:27,349 --> 02:37:24,319
are sold

3989
02:37:29,990 --> 02:37:27,359
so is mrs wakeman versus the antichrist

3990
02:37:31,910 --> 02:37:30,000
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3991
02:37:34,630 --> 02:37:31,920
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02:37:36,469 --> 02:37:34,640
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3993
02:37:38,710 --> 02:37:36,479
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3994
02:37:41,750 --> 02:37:38,720
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3995
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3997
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